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Post by barrynl on Jun 16, 2011 20:29:36 GMT -5
I never posted much on this site because I always had problems when I opened it up. I recently deleted a tool bar now everything is fine. So I will make this my new home ( my old site is dying a slow death). Anyway I do not know how many people on this site snare fox but I snare all mine ( I do not own a fox trap). anyway the long awaited pic's. This fox was fell to a blind set, the snare was on that little path you see to the right of the fox. I think this one is self explanatory lol Just a closer look at the fox from the last pic I think this one was caught in a bait station. Can't remember no context to go by. The picture should be first This a close up of the fox I got at the edge a blueberry field. The location of the previous fox. This one fell to a blind set on a path leading from a road to a gully. I do not know where this one was caught. Anyway just figured I would trow them out there just as a kind of introduction type thing. I know we have some snare's on this site, I wonder how many? Best of luck and play safe Barry
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Post by ScottRainbolt on Jun 16, 2011 20:47:58 GMT -5
been known to hang a cable or 2 here
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Post by Law Dog on Jun 16, 2011 22:16:06 GMT -5
Nice pile of red you have there! Welcome to ATT. Thanks for posting the pics!
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Post by alwright on Jun 17, 2011 4:52:52 GMT -5
Welcome to ATT! Great pics thanks for posting them.
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Post by bushdog on Jun 17, 2011 7:03:47 GMT -5
Very nice Barry, thank you for the pics.
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Post by ewoktrapper on Jun 17, 2011 7:59:27 GMT -5
Welcome.Barry!!!!!!!!
Great pic's..
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Post by bigtwinhd on Jun 17, 2011 7:59:33 GMT -5
I sure wish we could snare here. From what I hear it is a valuable tool. Great pictures and welcome!
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Post by ewoktrapper on Jun 17, 2011 17:30:17 GMT -5
I sure wish we could snare here. From what I hear it is a valuable tool. Great pictures and welcome! 2002-2003 was the last snares in maine.They were use'n the amberg killer spring.I think it would go thru if you guys would push a No kill(CR's) with relaxing lock.This way the Voo-doo lynx won't be hurt.Also set with no entanglement.The reason they said the snares where take'n away was because of water heads.The real reason because all the state Bio people was hired out and they where from Mass...Bunch of tree huggers....Get envolved call Skip Trask and get things rolling....
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Post by barrynl on Jun 17, 2011 19:49:29 GMT -5
I think having a snare that does not kill quickly is what causes water heads.
As for the lynx so what if a few wanderers from up north make there way to Maine. The snare used properly is the most humane way to harvest any fur bearer.
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Post by ewoktrapper on Jun 17, 2011 20:40:51 GMT -5
Barry
When I lived in Maine we bred the lynx so you guys up north have something to trap.LOL..
The Lynx Has almost shut down trapping in Maine.The anti's use it as a card to play just to cause grief,because it's on the endangered list.There are a lots of cats there.When I ran the line on sled, I would cross 2/3 sets of new track daily.I lived 10 miles from the Border of News Brunswick.I seen tracks cross the St John river when froze.Can't trap them on my side on your side they are a $300 cat..Go figure....
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Post by barrynl on Jun 17, 2011 21:27:44 GMT -5
So what are they saying that the lynx is endangered LOL. That is silly there are lots of lynx. The population goes up a and down with the rabbits.
That is like shutting down trapping here in Newfoundland because a few Arctic fox wander across on the ice every now and then. They are not common here but they are not endangered.
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Post by minnesotascott on Jun 17, 2011 21:31:36 GMT -5
Barry nice post. If you get the chance check out the trapping regs for the critical lynx habitate area of Northeast Minnesota.
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Post by barrynl on Jun 18, 2011 6:10:32 GMT -5
Scott I looked up a few artical's on this topic. I must say you guys have a lot of problems with the anti's.
Up here in the great white north LOL, you hardly ever hear anything like that. At least not in my part of it. Most people here think trapping stopped at the end of the 1800's LOL.
If it for some reason come's up in conversation most people are curious rather then any kind of revulsion over the idea.
The biggest thing here is the seal hunt. The anti's are all over that.
We all so have a issue with the Newfoundland Pine Marten. But in my opionion it has always been handled in a sane manner.
Most of the issues in Canada ( if you can call them that) concern dispatch times and trapping ethic's. All things that I agree with.
They mostly concern proper locks on snares, drowning rigs for water fur, and coni certification. I have no problems with that. Then again I do not trap martin ( I think some of them guys might disagree on the coni certification issue).
But to get your panty's in a twist over a few lynx that wander down to the northern states from time to time is just a transparent attept to push anti trapping reg's IMO.
I did see some comments on ITP's ( hope I got that right) what is the consesus on that in your part of the world .
Seems to me it might be a Idea worth looking into.
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Post by dieselweasel on Jun 18, 2011 10:45:23 GMT -5
Great use of the cable. Nice foxes.
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Post by lyonch on Jun 20, 2011 11:18:12 GMT -5
Great post Barry. If MN didn't have suck redicoulous laws on snares, i would hang a lot more of them! Do you use any bait or draw stations on your fox line? In central mn here, i have more of a fox population than a coyote population, but when i snare the draw stations i pick up more coyotes than i do fox.
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Post by barrynl on Jun 20, 2011 17:18:58 GMT -5
Lyonch you would have to explane to me a bit more on your law's before I could say any thing about that.
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Post by ScottRainbolt on Jun 20, 2011 19:52:34 GMT -5
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Post by lyonch on Jun 20, 2011 20:31:26 GMT -5
barry, we can't snare until December 1st, and usually it is a stiff freeze up by that time. We are also required to check our snares everyday here. My max height that the top of the snare is 16" from the boot print you left in the snow. This is fine for fox, but can become a challenge for coyotes at times. I guess the question i had was if you used draw stations or not, and if you catch more fox at them than anything else?
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Post by ewoktrapper on Jun 20, 2011 20:39:39 GMT -5
Nice Pic's Scott!!!!!!! Lyonch...This is going to be my first year use'n (cr's)snares for k-9's.Now our season doesn't open until the day after x-mas.I was betting on use'n nothing but draw stations. Maybe other snare guys can chime in on this also ??
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Post by bill1958 on Jun 21, 2011 5:20:35 GMT -5
bait stations and snares are deadly .take a wagon wheel with spikes.if you place the bait station in the center and set snares on every trail leading to it (the trails is the wheel spikes) you will be surprised how many fox and yotes you pick up.to modify the snares were it's legal i put them on a canine slide wire and pull them off the trails to prevent the catch circles because the trail will goe dead due to catch circles.with the slide wires my trails steady connect.
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Post by barrynl on Jun 21, 2011 7:18:13 GMT -5
Scott no need to worry about stealing post's the more catch pic's the better. Also interesting too see different ways of doing things.
Your fox look different then ours, cannot put my finger on it but they do not look the same, that last one ( the last picture on your post really looks different) I know it is a YOY but looks different. Anyway nice catch and really shows how effective snares can be.
Lyonch I find bait station's a excellent way to get fox. We do not have a lot of yote's around here. I have yet to get my first coyote.
So my advice on getting fox more so then coyotes will have to be by second hand.
However when I set up a bait station for fox I put all my snares, I would say no more then 10 feet from bait. From what I am told that is not the best for coyotes. They get more suspicious the closer they get to bait. I do not know if that is true or not.
The other thing I have noticed about fox is that they do not like to go into real enclosing cover. What I mean by that is that they will avoid real thick cover. I think they always like to see around them. They are afraid to go into places where they cannot see whats around. I think if you have a lot of coyotes then this trait may become more pronounced ( for obvious reason's).
I have over the year's had a few suspicious thing's happen at bait station's that i attribute to coyote's. But for the most part I think they are smarter ( for lack of better word) then foxes.
Keep your snares close to bait. I think this will target fox's and maybe avoid coyotes. ( but be warned this is second hand info).
Now for the meat and bones of the post ( sometimes i can ramble LOL).
When I am looking to set a bait station for fox I look for alder's they narrow down approach rout's without restricting veiw. Of course this must be on a travel rout fox's are useing (a hold differant post LOL) I put my bait usually rabbit ( although fish is excellent bait) in center of alder's. If you have exposed bait laws dig a small depression and put bait in that. Set anywhere from 3 to 10 snare's in likely approach route's. That is it nice and simple.
A few dead sticks for guiding will not hurt but do not go over board with guiding.
And also do not forget to place some snares on back of set I have got lots of fox at the back of bait station's ( when I say the back i mean the back of the main path that you think the foxes are using).
On the subject of bait mink carcass is excellent thing to put in a bait station for fox.
I think I will stop now LOL.
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Post by ScottRainbolt on Jun 21, 2011 11:40:28 GMT -5
well around here we use to catch reds in the open but now that the yotes are here i catch reds in stuff you cant even walk threw and i have gone to a system that takes yotes and fox and cats from the same snare set up call it snare on a wire i just tie a wire across the trail like a cloths line wrap some vines or acouple small sticks around the wire works as a duck under for yotes and cats and a jump stick for deer
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Post by ewoktrapper on Jun 21, 2011 13:28:37 GMT -5
Scott
I'm new at this(snare'n k-9's) so bear with me.I was told that a fox snare 7 inches from the ground and 7/8 loop.And yote 10 to 12 high and that big of loop.I have no clue on cats.How can you set one to fit all.Also what would it be set for coons???
We have to use a relax lock with3/32 cable,either 1/19 or 7x7 cable.Now what cable will work best and why?I have a few 7x7 and when looking at them they set with a tear drop shape.Does that hurt for k-9's.It never bothered me with Beavers,But Beavers just plow when they come into a set,so I never had a problem with them.
Thanks Frank......
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Post by ewoktrapper on Jun 21, 2011 13:36:11 GMT -5
bait stations and snares are deadly .take a wagon wheel with spikes.if you place the bait station in the center and set snares on every trail leading to it (the trails is the wheel spikes) you will be surprised how many fox and yotes you pick up.to modify the snares were it's legal i put them on a canine slide wire and pull them off the trails to prevent the catch circles because the trail will goe dead due to catch circles.with the slide wires my trails steady connect. Due to the Wco's don't have an answer,I don't think that slide will be legal here.I think it's more of an entanglement issue.That would be a great Idea,but that would be an extention of the snare.It would be great to save the site if I could.I'll have to make a phone call or 2 on that subject... Thanks.......Frank
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Post by ScottRainbolt on Jun 21, 2011 15:32:56 GMT -5
ewok that tear drop dont hurt anything on cats i like a 8 in loop aroud 8 to 9 high how that set up i use takes the all works the same as a crawl under at a fence the wire makes the cats and yotes drop there head to go under the wire now on coon i like around a 5 in loop around 4 in high
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Post by ewoktrapper on Jun 21, 2011 18:25:20 GMT -5
If you have to run 3/32 for k-9's would you run 1/19 or 7x7? I run 7x7 for Beavers,it kinks pretty good,but never broke....
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Post by ScottRainbolt on Jun 21, 2011 18:26:59 GMT -5
i like 1/19
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Post by bill1958 on Jun 21, 2011 18:43:53 GMT -5
ewok depends what direction you place the slide wire .if it's places to slide away from intanglement and you use relaxing locks you will be fine.even if you use a relaxing lock on a snare if it gets around a bush you chance that the fox would be dead.
when it comes to snares and cats i prefer the 1 1/16 size or the 5/64 but i really prefer the 1 1/16 after a while i started using them for yotes on slide wires as well but i only used them with kill poles.
i am like scat our reds and yotes here refuse to work open type areas .if we want them we have to wade threw the thick cover because the adapted and thats were they are at now
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Post by ewoktrapper on Jun 21, 2011 19:50:18 GMT -5
I'm stuck with 3/32 cable,relax lock,break-away s-hook and in an no entanglement..It;s the States goofy law.I'm still trying to figure out the entanglement issues LOL..I can't see them not getting in a tangle...
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Post by gwc on Jun 23, 2011 12:42:03 GMT -5
i got started in trapping with snares,and up until last year only went after fox with snares.i love snaring,using them is the only time in my life that iv tripled on fox.what are you guys preferred cable sizes,and where do you get your snares?iv never used a loaded snare,but plan to switch to them this year.Ross
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