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Post by MNCedar on Aug 19, 2010 23:48:14 GMT -5
Right??? It a half-hearted, but well-intentioned effort at scent control....which is really only affected by time at a set, location approach, etc. Or am I way off? Read about guys using it all the time, but have never seen massive catch pictures to back it up. It works in the wind...in a deer stand, but it's a wasted effort once you kneel at a dirthole. I think . Never used it trapping, and don't see the point. Okay, I've used a few products bowhunting. And, IMO, when used in conjunction with "odor-free", worn "in-the-field" only clothing...it has some merit. Maybe I'm wrong...(probably) But I was under the impression that the scent-killing type sprays do the following: -work...to an extent on already clean clothing, as far as a deer stand/ odor in the wind control agent. I use it and think it works on clothing ONLY worn while hunting. Not in the truck, at the gas station, at the bar, etc. -DO NOT have any effect on things you touch or brush up against. I.E...if you walk through a thicket, anything you rub against will still smell like you. It neutralizes odor to a point...but it's not a barrier between you and your surroundings. -its an odor inhibitor against scent drift....IT'S NOT ARMOR. -Even a scent lock suit...will leave human "residue" if you rub against anything...like hugging the tree when you climb up it. And...rubber boots are more apt to not pick up odors...so why would spraying a liquid on a non-absorbent, ordor resistant membrane do any good after your fourth or fifth step? Or, not be overshadowed by the skin cells shed while making the set. We're not building a space ship here....just bedding a trap and moving on. Yes, I still spray my boots when hunting...out of habit. But I'm not approaching a hundred deer stand locations a day either. I'm ready to hear how wrong I am... ;D. but I would need some evidence first. Not just one or two coyotes...
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Post by hawkeye on Aug 20, 2010 1:33:22 GMT -5
I agree with you 100%!
When I say some people are over concerned with odor control people get the wrong idea and think I am saying not to be concerned at all. I believe in clean traps and making an effort to keep the odor to a minimum, but, as I said before, you don't need to be so clean you could do brain surgery.
The first thing a person need to learn is the target animal's habits and how to scout and find sign. LOCATION!
The next is set construction, which set or sets to use for the target in each situation. A pocket is the go to for coon and mink, but is not always the best set in every location. Occasionally a blind set will be more productive than a pocket in a particular spot.
Another huge mistake starting trappers make is putting too much faith in their lure. During the fur boom there were dozens of ads in publications, such as Fur Fish & Game, for lure makers that promise a 'silver bullet' lure that would catch the attention of every coyote or cat within a square mile and draw them to your set. If you can get an animal to move 20 feet out of his path with a lure alone and no sight attractor you have a good lure. Too many times people make a bad set in a bad location, then blame odor or the lure. That is not fair to the lure maker. The lure is good, the lure maker knows what he is doing, you don't, so don't blame him.
Other times a trap will be dug up. So the trapper blames odor when the problem is more likely that trap was improperly bedded.
What this all amounts to is wasted time, because the trapper is too concerned about odor. When he doesn't catch or traps are dug up, he springs his traps, takes them home, reboils them, re waxes them, takes them back out and gets the same results.
I don't wear gloves unless it is cold out. I wear knee pads when I make my set. What I do is grab a handful of dirt or mud and "wash" my hands with dirt or mud, then wipe them with a hand full of grass, and rub dirt on my knee pads. Something else I learned from my grandpa is to step in every cow patty in my path.
In short, you cannot fool a coyote into thinking you were never there, his nose is way too keen. He knows you have been there. The trick is to make him think you are as harmless as that fisherman or mushroom hunter or farmer that was there last week.
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Post by jtdaniel on Aug 20, 2010 5:59:45 GMT -5
I agree with both of you about scent killer.I do wear gloves while making a set I do not wear them while luring a set or carrying my lure and bait bucket.The reason in my mind I wear gloves while making a set is more about me having something on my hands from any scent from lure to any thing they come in contact with.I think it important to add speed at a set.Don't approach an area and look around for sign and mill around for 30 minutes where you are going to place a trap get in get out and stay out until a catch is made.
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Post by deerslayer123 on Aug 20, 2010 7:30:07 GMT -5
thanks for the tips wont worry about using it anymore.
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Post by buckhuntermg1995 on Aug 20, 2010 8:47:10 GMT -5
if your using it forn deer hunting you vcan use a sented spray like acorns or dirt smell and it works better.its a stronger cover up.
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Post by MNCedar on Aug 20, 2010 11:37:09 GMT -5
Wow. I really expected there to be a bunch of deer hunters who also catch 3 or 4 coyotes a year.... to be lined up---chewing me out as to how I don't know what I'm talking about. Not used to people agreeing with me I too try to "wash" with dirt. Things like hay, cedars, etc. can be used when storing equipment. I agree with glove use. Sometimes I do, sometimes I don't. Depends on weather and how my line is doing that day.
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Post by ThumbStateTrapper on Aug 21, 2010 16:21:51 GMT -5
Just like men don't like holiday's invented by card companies, I don't like products invented by hunting product companies that promise the world. No matter how hard you may try, you can never be scent free. I don't believe in these products. When you start carrying a backpack full of scent controls and calls and a bunch of other stuff is when you become what I call a Gadget Guy Hunter. (Not meant to offend anyone) I have successfully put deer in the freezer every year for at least the last decade and don't use these products. I think they're just made to make money for the companies that sell them. Every "scent killer" I've ever smelled still "stinks" of some kind of odor. I pack my clothes in a plastic tub with fresh pine boughs. I would rather smell like the trees around me than some foreign odors some chemist came up with. Keeping yourself clean is the first step to not "stinkin" up the woods no matter what critter your going after.
Just my 2 cents.
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Post by barewire on Aug 21, 2010 22:26:51 GMT -5
I agree with both of you about scent killer.I do wear gloves while making a set I do not wear them while luring a set or carrying my lure and bait bucket.The reason in my mind I wear gloves while making a set is more about me having something on my hands from any scent from lure to any thing they come in contact with.I think it important to add speed at a set.Don't approach an area and look around for sign and mill around for 30 minutes where you are going to place a trap get in get out and stay out until a catch is made. Yes I agree 100% With the idea of get in and get out. You;v got the location picked out set in your truck or 4 wheeler decide what set and where and what lure get out and do it and get gone.
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Post by okietrap104 on Aug 24, 2010 0:21:24 GMT -5
i dont trust them scents either....what i used to do before i went into the woods deer hunting was gather up a bunch of leaves in a pile...set em on fire and stand in the smoke...because the area was always gettin burned down i figured the animals were accustomed to that smell..and it worked really well
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Post by Forrest on Jan 10, 2011 14:51:57 GMT -5
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