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Post by bill1958 on Jun 6, 2011 12:19:39 GMT -5
i am fixing to piss some one off but i don't care but this must be told you young trappers and beginners.'
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A MAGIC LURE OR BAIT. YOUR MAGIC COMES FROM THREE THINGS
HARD WORK PROPER LOCATIONS SETTING ON SIGN
just because you see large numbers in pictures and caught with a lure it don't mean the lure is magic ,not saying it's not a good lure but only when you put in hard work,pick proper locations and set on sign will you see the magic.you can have the best lure on the market and fail if you fail to understand the concept of the three steps.no lure will pull them far off thier travel route.
remember this you make the magic not the lure
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Post by walkercoonhunter on Jun 6, 2011 12:37:16 GMT -5
i agree 100%...
BUT and i say BUT good lure does make a difference in ones catch over a bad lure.....
if on location i have caught fox with nothing for lure or bait...just the fresh dug dirt.....
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Post by Law Dog on Jun 6, 2011 12:46:32 GMT -5
The best lure in the world will not help a poorly bedded $50 trap!! Trapping is easy you just need to know a millon "little" things to do it right. Many new trapper set traps not believing they will catch what they are after so that effort may be less than needed without even knowing it!
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Post by timberhippie on Jun 6, 2011 12:49:35 GMT -5
Bill you are 100 percent right I would go as far as to say the same applies to sets. No one set is superior to another per say. It is vastly more important where the set is over what the set. It doesn't mean lure and sets aren't important just that they aren't the most important part.
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Post by ewoktrapper on Jun 6, 2011 13:05:48 GMT -5
Dang Bill...No Magic??? I guess this season is down the tubes ..... 3 things put fur in the shed..Location,location and location.You can work all you want and as hard as you want, if they aren't there your not going to catch them.... Good post Bill.I stated many times about Magic in the Bottle.Just no such thing.... Hey that might be a good name for the next lure !!!!LOL...
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Post by Ohio on Jun 6, 2011 14:17:34 GMT -5
I agree also. I hate it when i read some young person write. I used XXXXX lure and caught a coon. Its the best stuff ever. Next year i will catch a truck load using it. Then they get let down. As a kid i trapped probably 5 years before i used my first lure. I think every young person should trap a year or two without lure to learn the animals habits.
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Post by Law Dog on Jun 6, 2011 14:24:27 GMT -5
Just knowing you have what it takes to catch a critter based on what you have learned makes the true effort that is put into making a set for one!
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Post by backwoodsman on Jun 6, 2011 14:47:10 GMT -5
Location is the biggie! Cant catch a coon if none are within 10 miles of your set. $100 trap and $20oz lure and all the latest gizmos wont catch a critter that isnt there.
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Post by ewoktrapper on Jun 6, 2011 14:50:26 GMT -5
Well said Ohio.....
Same here..I made trail sets between old caved in coal mine shafts and the corn fields.After a few seasons I wanted a red fox,thats when the baits started.I hated baits at first cause I turned into the possum king LOL....
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Post by chinook on Jun 6, 2011 16:22:52 GMT -5
I'm pissed.
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Post by Law Dog on Jun 6, 2011 16:49:10 GMT -5
If its a fact it cannot be changed a fact is a fact!!! Luck and Magic don't catch a lot. Just a few maybe
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Post by minnesotascott on Jun 6, 2011 17:19:22 GMT -5
Har work will put the most fur in the shed. Location of sets doesnt seem to hurt either.
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Post by Law Dog on Jun 6, 2011 17:28:57 GMT -5
Har work will put the most fur in the shed. Location of sets doesnt seem to hurt either. Pirate talk again matie!!!
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Post by steve56 on Jun 6, 2011 18:31:07 GMT -5
location IS everything trappers that tell you it dont matter what lure you use also wont tell you what lure they are using
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Post by greenbriar on Jun 6, 2011 20:56:48 GMT -5
This post is very true when i first started trapping way back when i didnt have lures or all that fancy stuff i had some old rusty traps that my grandfather gave me. and then i went out and shot a groundhog cut it up into chunks and buried in the yard until trapping season and thats what i used for fox and coon we didnt have coyotes then but my first season i caught 6 red fox 3 gray fox and 10 coon and that was with 8 traps. but it was all about location and scouting. i lived in the woods when i wasnt in school and i have to say i dont believe kids these days spend enough time in the outdoors.
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Post by ewoktrapper on Jun 6, 2011 21:20:25 GMT -5
Greenbriar Where you at in n.w.pa? Kids are way differant these days.I got 3 boys.It drives me nuts when they sit in the house.I know I wish I had all this info at my finger tips when I started trapping.Then again when I started it was the fur boom mid-70's and no one had time to teach a kid.I didn't know anyone that trapped.With FFG and Stanley Hawbakers book is about all i had.
Look at me now !!!! I'm still confused LMAO.......
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Post by bill1958 on Jun 6, 2011 22:01:43 GMT -5
the thing is people see all these pictures of huge catches and right off the bat the lure gets the praise not the hard work.in my book and i might be wroung but it's the way i feel.it takes lots of hard work ,rather it's walking and searching or making test sets in a new location.even a well made set and beded right means tons of hard work.my point is this trapping takes hard work. i don't care if you got a million dollar lure if you don't work hard with your mind and body that lure will drop you on your butt.there is no magic in lure or bait .with out working your mind you know when to pull ,how long to stay and your results will show from the magic from you not from a lure or a bait.remember this with out hard work you want find the locations ,you want find the sign, and if you don't work hard you want have a proper set and there will not be any magic.but to have all your faith in any lure only will and i mean only will set you up to fail.
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Post by trapper365 on Jun 6, 2011 22:19:01 GMT -5
ewok im just south of pittsburgh and im 14 and i am always outside. Of course i have a gaming system like almost every kid but i rarely play it. Also my parents always tease me because i always joke and say im gonna live in the woods. lol
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Post by ewoktrapper on Jun 7, 2011 6:10:34 GMT -5
Good for you 365....
I'm not saying all kids.I know my kids friends are unreal with those games.Those are the worse things ever made in my opinion.When I took the Trapping class / Snare course to use CR's in Pa the was only 1 kid there.I was one of the young ones and I'm 42.I know when I do Demos for trapping,back in the 80's lots of kids.By the 90's when we started lose'n the kids.Now if I see a kid I go out of my way to praise them,to keep them intrested......
Bill.
It's nothing but work....You have to love this sport/game..If a person would figure out the money per hour it's not good LMAO....To put up those big numbers you need alot of drive.There is not if's and's or but's about that.Also alot of trappers just don't have the gear it takes either.Then you need alot of good locations.Those big catches,everything needs to fall in place.Heck the weather can beat you before you set that first trap.I know that you and I understand that,but the new people have a hard road ahead of them.That learning curve suxs LOL....
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Post by timberhippie on Jun 7, 2011 6:30:19 GMT -5
trappers that tell you it dont matter what lure you use also wont tell you what lure they are using That maybe true with some but I don't find that to be true around here. We have tons of posts talking about lures we use and ones we don't. I think this post is to drive home the point that you can buy all the best lures and without the proper knowledge your catch will not improve.
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Post by Ohio on Jun 7, 2011 6:40:51 GMT -5
A very well known Ohio lure maker told me this, this week.
A poor lure on good location will catch more fur than a great lure at a crappy location.
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Post by muskrattrapper495 on Jun 7, 2011 7:11:35 GMT -5
i also think location is everything
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Post by ewoktrapper on Jun 7, 2011 7:47:01 GMT -5
A very well known Ohio lure maker told me this, this week. A poor lure on good location will catch more fur than a great lure at a crappy location. That was a wise man !!!!!!
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Post by greenbriar on Jun 7, 2011 8:22:47 GMT -5
ewoktrapper, i live in the kane area now but before i went in the service i was in sheffield.
being in the military i have seen so many young men and there kids that have never been off the pavement it was scary lol but i made every effort to take them hunting or fishing if they showed any interest in it. i had a kid from texas tell me i was lying to him about hunting whitetail in pa. cuz this was all big cities up here and there was no deer i took leave and came home and filmed 7 bucks in velvet in a field down the road just to prove to him lol i couldnt believe it.
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Post by Forrest on Jun 7, 2011 9:02:52 GMT -5
I agree Bill! Great Post....
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Post by lyonch on Jun 7, 2011 10:09:54 GMT -5
I have been watching this thread from my phone (since i have been gone for buisness) and i have to say Bill is 100% correct in this post. The magic is in the work ethic and not the bait, lure, or secret set!! I hate to break it to some people, but your not going to catch a truck full of critters in one check trapping your backyard.
Bill - sometimes the truth hurts, but it had to be said!!! Thanks for bringing this to the forefront!
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Post by bill1958 on Jun 7, 2011 14:58:33 GMT -5
from day one i have worked hard learning ,lure formation,locations,sets for each and every animal in my area so i can save you guys time and mistakes but unless your work hard very thing is in vain.i strive each and every day to figure ways to put a profit in every ones pocket .i for one could very well spend all my time just setting steel and eating steak instead of beans but i chose the road i am on because there needs to be some changes in the trapping world for the trappers.
there has to be some type of motavation to get you guys to under stand to make a profit you must work hard and respect it like a job you love.
i have 3 students that can take 2 dz traps and produce 300 greys a season but they have the magic due to hard work.i have a student that makes his on lures ,that made his first lure a canine lure at that should be put on the market and gets a ton of pms wanting this lure.and on top of that josh (foxpro) is 17 years old. all of this is magic due to hard work not by my teaching but by hard work.i can make a million post to teach and if you don't work hard by studing and applying the info you are just like a truck stuck in the mud spinning and getting no were except deeper and deeper in the rut.
i hate to see people putting lures in a high spot when it's the hard work you do that should be there.
ok how many of you used lure one season that smoked but the next it was worthless crap lol. that's what you get for having faith in lure,and you should have had faith in your hard work instead.i trapped in the fur boom days using nothing but blind sets and i sent a kid to college with this but i did not set around depending and trusting any lures ,i worked hard learning the area and the animals and i saw the magic .because of my hard work.
remember this next time you get lazy and catch very little and see no profits then ask your self WHY?
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Post by timberhippie on Jun 7, 2011 15:24:00 GMT -5
Ok Bill if I understand you correctly you are saying you know two people who can catch 300 fox a season with 24 traps. I would be truly impressed by that. That is a heck of a catch rate for one specific species. Let alone that grays are sort of not known for high population densities. That is around 4 fox day on a average season length with just 24 traps. I am almost close to calling BS.
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Post by ewoktrapper on Jun 7, 2011 15:32:45 GMT -5
Well said ole'wise one......Bill....
I like to know How many lures do a trapper has on avg that they will not leave home with out.Now these are lures that are proven year in and year out...I got 3 for K-9's that are always with me.Out of all the lures for sale I have 3.Not bad for almost 30 years of trapping.....
Bill since your in the lure game I'd think a thread needs started on usage.How to use a gland lure and why.Food lure and why..ect...I think miss use of lures hurt new trappers.I think we talked about this before but brief....I know when I started I over dosed everything....I couldn't figure out why I didn't catch much until it was cold...A cap full is good so 2 would be better LOL....
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Post by bill1958 on Jun 7, 2011 15:57:00 GMT -5
hippie not evey year they don't
they do just like i do they use trail cams 365 days keeping track up animals just like i do. were as i use mine to test lures and baits they use thiers to locate different greys. come here and you can see them in the day time .two animals that are well abount here is cats and greys .
another factor here is our season think about running 150 traps per day and the season is nov 15 and runs threw feb 20 .that is 97 days times 150 sets means 14550 chances (less if bad weather)so you see brother i don't have to catch 4 a day to pull this off.the key thing is hard work,having the animals,the amount of sets and the 97 days of season.not every state has the greys like here.now if you stuck them with reds i would have agreed because we don't have but a very few reds.
what this means nothing except LOTS OF HARD WORK
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