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Post by mac on Jun 19, 2011 18:51:53 GMT -5
Howdy In the Mind over Matter post a couple trappers mentioned that when they used speed dip that their catch suffered, and that they were unsure if it was their confidence level or the dip.
I have tried speed dip due to the ease of using the product but found myself going back to dye and wax. But I must admit I question myself when I read the pro / con threads on speed dip. some guys claim they do real well with it and I have had many private mail and phone conversations with these guys. I have also heard horror stories about speed dip.
I keep thinking I may try it again. I am not a big time canine trapper. I always set a few sets and catch a few but am more of a all around trapper, in that I trap a little of everything. Back in the fur boom I focused on fox first then a bit of everything, but now we just do not have the fox. (More coyotes)
OK, canine guys, weight in on how you feel about using speed dip. Please
Thanks
Mac
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Post by ScottRainbolt on Jun 19, 2011 18:57:51 GMT -5
i got trap that are dipped and i got traps that are dyed and waxed i catch fur with both but i dip in early summer and they have all summer and early fall to dry
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Post by minifoxer on Jun 19, 2011 18:59:14 GMT -5
All and all, when i dipped my k9 traps in the speed dip, my catches suffered! For water i will not hesitate to speed dip my water traps!
My traps also became sticky, i hate that, i figured if i just let them air out the stickyness would fade... it didnt.
i added as much gasoline to the dip as the instructions said, but non the less still sticky, i would think a quick fix would to just water down the dip even more, but i never re tried the dip.
also, after 2.5 months of airing out i still could detect a slight gasoline smell to the traps.
You tried the dying/waxing and the speed dip, you found that when you used the speed dip your catches went down, well, i would suggest not going back to the speed dip for k9s if it didnt work for you.
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Post by ScottRainbolt on Jun 19, 2011 19:00:53 GMT -5
mini if you use gas it has to be pure gas the blended gas will be sticky
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Post by Law Dog on Jun 19, 2011 19:09:17 GMT -5
Dye and wax works for me, dipping my traps in gas or some other mix I just could not bring myself to do it!!!! It may have a lot to do with the humitidy it the trappers area? It's like a skunk smell when you think its gone a little rain and it alive again!!!
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Post by timberhippie on Jun 19, 2011 19:13:01 GMT -5
You must use white gas AKA coleman fuel for the best results. I have said it before and I will say it again odor is way over rated in importance. If they are sticky either you mixed it wrong or used the wrong gas in my opinion. Use what you have confidence in. To some season wouldn't be season without the ritual of dying and waxing.
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Post by mark572 on Jun 19, 2011 19:28:01 GMT -5
IMO! speedy dip is not a good solution to dyeing traps! i have seen it done with regular gas high test gas and also white gas still seams to be sticky and super messy I haven't used it my self but i have been around when some of my buddy's are usen it!!! I my self will stick to the old ways! I also still can smell the all the gases used well after they have been dipped and air dryed!
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Post by mac on Jun 19, 2011 19:28:28 GMT -5
Thanks for all the answers.
Mac
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Post by Law Dog on Jun 19, 2011 19:29:16 GMT -5
A guy once told me if a coondog can find you in the dark while wearing rubber boots do you think a K-9 will not know you were there? I would think that dye and wax is just a little more natural to me!!! But I'm just old school I guess and enjoy the Old way!!! LOL
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Post by minnesotascott on Jun 19, 2011 19:33:13 GMT -5
Jerry, not to cast stones, but is wax in the field really natural? I know you said more natural.
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Post by timberhippie on Jun 19, 2011 19:45:33 GMT -5
Boys I catch yotes and fox in them all season long and it is just fact. You can tell everyone how you can smell it and all that but I catch canines in them just fine and they are not sticky. Now I know you all are certain it is bad but honestly how many of you have ran them more then one season? I have ran it for multiple seasons and it has worked well for me but then again I am just a dumb ole Missouri boy LOL
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Post by redrooster on Jun 19, 2011 19:46:42 GMT -5
I dipped a dozen #3 Dukes 3 years ago in speed dip. I have recently been working on these traps, adding base plates, center swivels and new pan bolts. At the time of dipping, I used white gas, or coleman fuel. The speed dip is still coming off the traps and gets on your hands everytime you touch them. The heat from welding the base plates made it worse. They have been to the car wash at least 3 or 4 times and boiled at least four times. They have also been through the dishwasher twice, about had a heart attack trying to clean the speed dip off the Dish washer racks before the wife got home. I will never use that stuff again. You would think I made a mistake when dipping them, but I followed the directions to the letter. My hat is off to those that have had success with it, but Never again will it touch a trap of mine.
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Post by sniperbbb on Jun 19, 2011 19:50:08 GMT -5
Jerry, not to cast stones, but is wax in the field really natural? I know you said more natural. Bee's wax. Also you can get waxed traps to take up a smell from either placing the traps in a container with dirt,branches of a local tree, or any other material local to your trapping locations.
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Post by ewoktrapper on Jun 19, 2011 19:50:36 GMT -5
Hippie
Yep you got me there.I never gave it a second season.I know it's mind over matter.My good friend speed dips and it don't hurt his catch one bit.I thought about trying it again,but I hate stripping traps LOL......
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Post by ScottRainbolt on Jun 19, 2011 19:54:24 GMT -5
well between my truck leaking oil and lord knows what else my smoking at the sets i dont think that dip is going to hurt anything o yea and i set traps without gloves to after scratching my rear end lol
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Post by minnesotascott on Jun 19, 2011 20:00:57 GMT -5
Jerry, not to cast stones, but is wax in the field really natural? I know you said more natural. Bee's wax. Also you can get waxed traps to take up a smell from either placing the traps in a container with dirt,branches of a local tree, or any other material local to your trapping locations. So you are saying wax is not an odor eliminator right? but that was not what I was getting at with my first post.
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Post by Law Dog on Jun 19, 2011 20:01:08 GMT -5
Scotto I think wax is just more neutral than a high octain gas or white gas! Oh ya bees make wax too you big bully!!!! LMAO and don't ants wax their dirt mounds too? Must have a tiny little phone they call Jeff at MTP with to get the wax??? LOL
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Post by desertrat on Jun 19, 2011 20:05:04 GMT -5
Water traps get speed dip/land traps good old proven...............dye wax.
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Post by Law Dog on Jun 19, 2011 20:13:53 GMT -5
Water traps get speed dip/land traps good old proven...............dye wax. Now there you go DR bringing logic into the post!!! that could just mess the whole thing up and kill my night!!! LOL
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Post by Ohio on Jun 19, 2011 20:14:39 GMT -5
I paint my water traps. But i just cant bring myself to dip my canine traps again. Maybe i am just old fashioned. Besides, its awfull pretty to see fresh dyed and waxed traps hanging.
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Post by dtraper on Jun 19, 2011 20:18:35 GMT -5
Guess im stuck in the old ways of doin things,just got done dyein and waxin 62 foot holds-2 1/2 doz 330s,tried speed dipin a few yrs back on some 220s that I bought late in season didnt care for the nice shiney coat,it took awhile but I got it off..nothing beats a dyed and waxed trap
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Post by bill1958 on Jun 19, 2011 20:29:20 GMT -5
I have been watching this post today and every one for got one important fact lol. TEMPS .temps plays with every thing from lures to dip to wax .why do you think you can't buy flake wax from some dealers in high temps if it has to be shipped because the temps gets to hot in the truck and it melts.if the humidity and temps are off i don't care what dip you use it will affect it.i have used dip in wyo and here in bama and one thing for sure i sure as crap want use it not even for water
take them traps keep dipping and after a while you will see the trap start to get slow from all the excess build up and one other thing it's a mess to get off and clean up lol.sorry no time for extra work as i will do mine right the first time around
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Post by mac on Jun 20, 2011 6:02:21 GMT -5
Thanks to all for your replies. I did catch coyotes etc. on dipped traps. I guess I just thought not as many as my old ways so I switched. But I was and still am unsure if I gave it a good try. I have a friend that throws caution to the wind when it comes to scent control. He dips his traps, is not the least bit concerned with scent control (I grew up old school wearing gloves, rubber boots and not scratching my butt. LOL) and he makes nice catches. I told this to a big numbers guy in NY and his reply was yes, but he is missing quite a few.
Another friend of mine is a well known trapping writer etc. and he has gone to it completely. He feels strongly that dipped traps clean up much easier than a waxed trap to be used at a set that has made a catch or other sets. He told me he gets away with (when using a trap that made a catch at a new set) by just scrubbing the trap in dirt or washing it in a stream) (One of the down sides to dips is that it is too cold to use here in Maine during the season)
To me, a dipped trap is not as fast as a waxed one, but not all that much slower. Thanks for the answers and listening to me ramble. I often think of me boiling to clean, waxing and spending the best part of a day, then think of my pal dipping a couple hundred traps in a couple hours. Just rambling. Thanks Mac
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Post by ewoktrapper on Jun 20, 2011 6:59:37 GMT -5
Mac
Here is another way to look at it.If you are limited on traps.You could bring home a dirty waxed trap,boil it clean,dry it and re wax in 1 day.You can't do that with gas dips.
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Post by ewoktrapper on Jun 20, 2011 7:00:58 GMT -5
I paint my water traps. But i just cant bring myself to dip my canine traps again. Maybe i am just old fashioned. Besides, its awfull pretty to see fresh dyed and waxed traps hanging. I do the same thing!!!!!!!!
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Post by minifoxer on Jun 20, 2011 9:19:33 GMT -5
IMO its all about the confidence!! I just do NOT have good confidence when i speed dip my traps! i dont care if i used white gas, just that thought of my nice clean k9 traps getting dunked in GAS for me is a real BIG confidence killer!
And if you dont have confidence in your traps or sets or lures, i can guarentee your catches are going to suffer!
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