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Post by lostlamb on Sept 7, 2011 12:31:43 GMT -5
One of my biggest complaints of the internet and trapping is the slow death of free thinking. The methods we have today were once someone's free radical ideas that led them to personal success. Those methods now seem to be viewed as a sort of blueprint to trapping and a sort of factual thing. I have watched as the ideas of some have become the trapping religion of the masses. In some ways it is good and a proper tribute to those who have gone on before. However I do think we are starting to see a stifling of free thought and new ideas. I hope young people and old take what they learn and add to it experiment and ignore those who would turn trapping into a cookie cutter world of right and wrong. Just my 3 cents.
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Post by dat41 on Sept 7, 2011 12:40:37 GMT -5
That is why I like this site. There are some very knowledgeable trappers here that are not only willing to share experience, but also interested in what others do. Encouragement doesn't seem to be a bad thing here.
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Post by scottjohns on Sept 7, 2011 18:03:03 GMT -5
I have been told a box is just fine, just never close the lid on the box. You will never over fill it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2011 18:20:51 GMT -5
One of my biggest complaints of the Internet and trapping is the slow death of free thinking. The methods we have today were once someones free radical ideas that led them to personal success. Those methods now seem to be viewed as a sort of blueprint to trapping and a sort of factual thing. I have watched as the ideas of some have become the trapping religion of the masses. In some ways it is good and a proper tribute to those who have gone on before. However I do think we are starting to see a stifling of free thought and new ideas. I hope young people and old take what they learn and add to it experiment and ignore those who would turn trapping into a cookie cutter world of right and wrong. Just my 3 cents. Absolutely and IMHO, undeniably true!!! With the vast info of the Internet, folks seem to lean toward blindly following "those who said it to the greatest magnitude". They seem to follow without regard to differing area's, terrain, habitat, animal populations, etc. rather than what's specific to their own. Many folks think of me as a "contrarian" but I'm not, I'm just very much a self-taught, "free-thinker" and have been for many, many years paying my dues. If somebody who is one of "those who said it to the greatest magnitudes" has observations and/or experiences that parallel mine, cool beans! If they don't, meaning mine differ, that's also cool beans! It's what I observe and experience, while setting traps on my properties that counts! The "those who said it to the greatest magnitude" are not observing what I'm observing, nor are they experiencing they same things I am because they have never set traps in the same fields, woods, and waters on the properties I am when I am!! There can be a huge world of difference that I whole-heartedly believe many people never consider thinking about. It's simple to "cookie-cut" HOW to(do this this way or do this that way) trap but it's paying the dues while learning the WHY that will elevate you above the "cookie-cutting" mentality that's appears so prevalent today! It reminds me of welding and a scenario that I've watched played out 100's of times during my career when young welders ask older ones HOW to do something and many of the older welders will say- "do just how I'm doing it and you'll be fine"!! It's was the wrong answer then and it's the wrong answer now! The fact of the matter was that many of the older welders didn't know the WHY to begin with, just HOW.
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Post by Law Dog on Sept 7, 2011 18:49:52 GMT -5
I have always said trapping is SO easy its just a "million little things" that makes it work. The basics will always be just that, its the million little things that a trapper has to develop on his own! IMHO
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Post by dtraper on Sept 7, 2011 19:58:39 GMT -5
Whoh-somebody been on the wrong web site,not here what Iv seen is a bunch of free thinking trappers-I havent seen once were someone on this site say -you are wrong,you have to do it this way-what I have seen is advice! No two trappers trap the same/use the same traps/baits or lure/or trap placement,na we do not fit that other web site were you have to agree with how ever to stay in the click-and if you post an idea I for one will think about it/try it,might be old but I aint stuck in a box-learned a lesson years ago when I was usein No 1 longsprings for rats and 110 were just startin to work there way into my part of the country,I said it was just a waste of money,could have caught alot more rat with some of that FEEE THINKING-D-
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Post by minnesotascott on Sept 7, 2011 20:44:22 GMT -5
If you box is ever full, find a bigger box!
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Post by bigtwinhd on Sept 7, 2011 20:49:35 GMT -5
Hey Minnscotty, did you make any of that lawn clipping muskrat lure you were talking about this summer? We all had a laugh at that idea, but one just never knows. He could be a hundredaire because of it!
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Post by Law Dog on Sept 7, 2011 20:54:16 GMT -5
Hey Minnscotty, did you make any of that lawn clipping muskrat lure you were talking about this summer? We all had a laugh at that idea, but one just never knows. He could be a hundredaire because of it! He already has money coming out the wazoo I hear!
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Post by minnesotascott on Sept 7, 2011 21:10:27 GMT -5
Hey Minnscotty, did you make any of that lawn clipping muskrat lure you were talking about this summer? We all had a laugh at that idea, but one just never knows. He could be a hundredaire because of it! He already has money coming out the wazoo I hear! It is made. I have it buried in a mound of dirt right now. Soom testing time happens. Hollywood my wazzo is so tite i squeck when i walk.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2011 21:43:22 GMT -5
Whoh-somebody been on the wrong web site,not here what Iv seen is a bunch of free thinking trappers-I havent seen once were someone on this site say -you are wrong,you have to do it this way-what I have seen is advice! No two trappers trap the same/use the same traps/baits or lure/or trap placement,na we do not fit that other web site were you have to agree with how ever to stay in the click-and if you post an idea I for one will think about it/try it,might be old but I aint stuck in a box-learned a lesson years ago when I was usein No 1 longsprings for rats and 110 were just startin to work there way into my part of the country,I said it was just a waste of money,could have caught alot more rat with some of that FEEE THINKING-D-[/quot I was not talking any specific site, book or video but many affect in varying degrees to this thread's original post. It's also been my observation that many people, of which i'm certainly not one of them, do not agree with the content of your sentence that begins with- "No two trappers.........But many of the "who said it to the greatest magnitude" would hope you'd let them do the thinking and you just follow along.
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Post by Law Dog on Sept 7, 2011 21:53:32 GMT -5
Seldon, I think what D was saying is we pride ourselves with giving advice but do not force feed others to only do it our way was his point! Its just something we work hard to do so I think he just wanted to make sure the option to take info here is by choice not demanded!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2011 22:05:59 GMT -5
Seldon, I think what D was saying is we pride ourselves with giving advice but do not force feed others to only do it our way was his point! Its just something we work hard to do so I think he just wanted to make sure the option to take info here is by choice not demanded! Yes, I understood what he was saying and agree. I wanted to make sure that folks reading my post understood that I wasn't pointing the dirty finger at this site.
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Post by cdr on Sept 7, 2011 22:19:58 GMT -5
Okay, I have been avoiding this like the plague... I feel compelled to comment on this thread but do so with hesitation due to the "stirring of the pot" theory........ Here it goes...
Although I agree that "thinking outside of the box" is a very good thing to do, I feel that one must get down the basics that are "inside of the box" before the "outside" will have much meaning..... For example......we are told to bed our yote traps very firmly and as solid as possible. Instead of doing so, we throw a trap on top of the ground near a bait station and a blind yote accidently steps into it. Now we are a "yote trapper" and we inform/advise others that traps dont need to be bedded at all because this "out of the box" thinking has gotten us a yote!! Sure it could happen... The problem is that it wont happen consistantly!!!! There is a reason as to why bedding traps firmly/solid is in books, on websites, and preached about amongst trappers!! Now I just used the above for an example, I do not want to discourage anyone from thinking about trying new things. As stated earlier, if there was no "new thinking", we wouldnt get any better (its that way with everything in life). I just want to advise folks to complete the educational material that is "in the box" so they will understand the results when they think outside of the box........... Maybe this is a little too deep .......lol
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Post by minnesotascott on Sept 7, 2011 22:20:09 GMT -5
I wish my box had a bottom to it, seems I forget more and more every year.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2011 22:53:25 GMT -5
Okay, I have been avoiding this like the plague... I feel compelled to comment on this thread but do so with hesitation due to the "stirring of the pot" theory........ Here it goes... Although I agree that "thinking outside of the box" is a very good thing to do, I feel that one must get down the basics that are "inside of the box" before the "outside" will have much meaning..... For example......we are told to bed our yote traps very firmly and as solid as possible. Instead of doing so, we throw a trap on top of the ground near a bait station and a blind yote accidently steps into it. Now we are a "yote trapper" and we inform/advise others that traps dont need to be bedded at all because this "out of the box" thinking has gotten us a yote!! Sure it could happen... The problem is that it wont happen consistantly!!!! There is a reason as to why bedding traps firmly/solid is in books, on websites, and preached about amongst trappers!! Now I just used the above for an example, I do not want to discourage anyone from thinking about trying new things. As stated earlier, if there was no "new thinking", we wouldnt get any better (its that way with everything in life). I just want to advise folks to complete the educational material that is "in the box" so they will understand the results when they think outside of the box........... Maybe this is a little too deep .......lol No, it's not too deep, I for one wasn't thinking along the lines of elementary as the example you sited. I will say that in your example you said- "There is a reason as too WHY bedding.......". I agree and would think that if a person didn't solidly bed his trap yet he bedded it, he'd soon figure out WHY he needed to! Mink is another animal that has a lot of stuff out there such as everybody knows that you have to have your triggers on the bottom. Everybody knows big males stay off water until snow pushes them to it. Everybody knows that those big males living off the land are only eating warm-blooded prey. Everybody knows the bottom edge catches more mink after ice-over. And the list goes on and on of everybody knows! There are reasons WHY these "cookie-cutter" "HOW to do" everybody knows need some free-thinking! Let's take your example a little further by folks telling us that along with the solid bedding, you must pack, poke, pound, etc, around the trap so that all dirt around the already solidly bedded trap is compacted. You certainly can be a "free-thinker" with this scenario or does everybody suppose to follow and do it HOW they're told or because folks with possibly as much experience understand WHY they don't need too!
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Post by mark572 on Sept 7, 2011 23:01:06 GMT -5
I agree 100% CDR !
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Post by Law Dog on Sept 7, 2011 23:11:35 GMT -5
So the box is the basics and everything else is whats outside the box and thats the million little things that can change! I think a trapper evolves or goes the way of the caveman or at the least stops growing as a trapper!
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Post by cdr on Sept 7, 2011 23:19:55 GMT -5
LD, thats my take of it.... Its elementary Watson!! Now go find me a rabbit!!!
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Post by lostlamb on Sept 8, 2011 6:19:05 GMT -5
Seldom hit my thoughts right on the head.
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Post by lyonch on Sept 8, 2011 9:04:41 GMT -5
If you can't learn to adapt your trapping methods to your surroundings, there is a greater chance of failure. Taking the time to fully understand the animal you are targeting will help you a lot further in the long run. Thinking outside the box will come to you, but first and foremost a trapper young and old must understand what is in the box and the fresh ideas will come. Great discussion guys!!
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Post by Larry Gene Pate on Sept 8, 2011 12:51:14 GMT -5
I agree with you Lyonch!! many very great points made here!! Larry
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Post by dtraper on Sept 8, 2011 13:03:57 GMT -5
Mr seldom,I was not knockin any body sorry you took it that way-its my communication skills,been told they are lacking,what I was trying to get across -say you went out on a line with me on what ever [beav/fox..ect] I know for a fact you would not set traps the same way I do,use the same bait/lure...but if you showed me a new trick that might help then thanks-if you get your self into thinking just one way,then you tell people its the only way to do it,then you get a bunch of people to say yap hes right[even if hes full of poop]and aint got a clue what he even talkin about,,ya I have seen it not on this site-now back to my language skills-you are right and I am wrong-now got to get the truck loaded and trap some beav-D-
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Post by minifoxer on Sept 8, 2011 13:14:58 GMT -5
This is turning out to be a very good thread!!
My thanks to all who have posted!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2011 14:55:57 GMT -5
Mr seldom,I was not knockin any body sorry you took it that way-its my communication skills,been told they are lacking,what I was trying to get across -say you went out on a line with me on what ever [beav/fox..ect] I know for a fact you would not set traps the same way I do,use the same bait/lure...but if you showed me a new trick that might help then thanks-if you get your self into thinking just one way,then you tell people its the only way to do it,then you get a bunch of people to say yap hes right[even if hes full of poop]and aint got a clue what he even talkin about,,ya I have seen it not on this site-now back to my language skills-you are right and I am wrong-now got to get the truck loaded and trap some beav-D- ;D ;D No, no I was agreeing with you Dtraper as you described the two trapper deal and the clicks and the followers. Those are the ones who would disagree with your sentence! Maybe it's my writing skills! ;D ;D
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