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Post by cdr on Sept 7, 2011 23:33:38 GMT -5
Didnt want to hyjack the "outside of the box" thread and get it off topic any at all so I got this to say about the "inside of the box"....
What the heck is "inside of the box"?? I imagine it is something dif to all of us... For me its the basics (location, proper trap bedding, preparation/planning, knowing your target animal's, and so forth). I figure the knowledge thats inside the box is the basic trapping info (elementary is a good word for it). I am of the opinion that after you have a good understanding of whats inside of "your" box, then go and see if the stuff outside of it will work for you. If we all had the same info/stuff "inside our boxes" then it would be the thinking "outside of the box" that would seperate us onto dif trapping levels... and I think this does.
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Post by mark572 on Sept 7, 2011 23:55:44 GMT -5
X2 cdr the first steps are the most important then the rest before you can start jumping out side the box and getting both feet wet On the new things to learn for inside the box!
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Post by lostlamb on Sept 8, 2011 6:27:50 GMT -5
LOL you crack me up my inside the box statement seems to have effected you deeply. It my opinion that there is a feeling of what is "BEST" that erks me. There is no best only some better some worse and even that is debatable. Sure basics say a trap has to be right side up and the trap has to be fastened in some way so it doesn't just walk off. Think for yourself don't limit yourself to what one guy says. I am not advising trying things that are dangerous to non targets or people but just search a little for what works best for you.
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Post by lostlamb on Sept 8, 2011 6:35:34 GMT -5
CDR you seem to be on a quest for knowledge have you talked trapping with anyone who traps big numbers? If so did what they told you lead to you catching big numbers and instant success? I am not saying you are not a good trapper but I bet every time you got good or bad advice had to be filtered through your own on the line experience. In other words if what you were told was the "right" info you could just go out do exactly what the other person said and you would immediately have equal success.
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Post by cdr on Sept 8, 2011 6:35:52 GMT -5
lol.. I am glad that you can find some humor in this as I do myself. I agree with you when you say "what works best for you"!! What works for me may not work for you and visa versa. Naw, the statement didnt effect me that deeply. I agree the "best" methods will not always apply in all situations. You could tell me the best ways to catch a fisher and I could implement them and every other idea possible but it wouldnt do me anygood here.........(dont have them) .
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Post by cdr on Sept 8, 2011 6:40:19 GMT -5
CDR you seem to be on a quest for knowledge have you talked trapping with anyone who traps big numbers? If so did what they told you lead to you catching big numbers and instant success? I am not saying you are not a good trapper but I bet every time you got good or bad advice had to be filtered through your own on the line experience. In other words if what you were told was the "right" info you could just go out do exactly what the other person said and you would immediately have equal success. Arent we all looking for more knowledge? I'm still learning and dont know it all (doubt I ever will). Of course I ask questions and try to get info from other trappers. I try to implement the new ideas on my line and see if they will work for me. Some do and some dont. I'm not a big numbers guys.. oh wait, do possums and skunks count?? lol
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Post by lostlamb on Sept 8, 2011 6:57:29 GMT -5
One last point while I am on a roll LOL. I have experimented with trap placement a good amount when I moved my traps back a foot I saw more tracks between my trap and my attracter then I cared to miss. I moved my trap in close and caught bobcats. There is a very successful trapper who advocates setting your trap back 2feet from your attracter for cats. He also says fully modified #2 are good raccoon traps. Is he wrong well numbers of his catches say probably not. Am I going to set my traps 2 feet back? Probably not. So what's my point neither he or I are wrong just different. If setting two feet back helps his catch or someone else's then that is great and unconventional by common trapping thoughts. He is having success by trying very different ideas to norm or in other words he thinks outside the box!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2011 7:23:58 GMT -5
One last point while I am on a roll LOL. I have experimented with trap placement a good amount when I moved my traps back a foot I saw more tracks between my trap and my attracter then I cared to miss. I moved my trap in close and caught bobcats. There is a very successful trapper who advocates setting your trap back 2feet from your attracter for cats. He also says fully modified #2 are good raccoon traps. Is he wrong well numbers of his catches say probably not. Am I going to set my traps 2 feet back? Probably not. So what's my point neither he or I are wrong just different. If setting two feet back helps his catch or someone else's then that is great and unconventional by common trapping thoughts. He is having success by trying very different ideas to norm or in other words he thinks outside the box! Absolutely!
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Post by Law Dog on Sept 8, 2011 9:09:33 GMT -5
I know that the way I trap up North MI/SD/IL is not the same as I trapped in AZ/LA and location was just the opposite in most of the areas as the different animal travel patterns! I have seen a lot of outside the box products come and go but some do stick around, take the cable stake for example and the rub set as 2 things that were outside the box and are here to stay! Trap dips have been going around for over 30 years but not 1 seems to have become the standard yet but there still around! Beaver hoops have pasted the test of time, but out of the pile of new ideas not many seem to make it long term. So even if I come up with the best idea in years in my area of use it may not work in your area as well. I just don't want to see a person refining his skills from his experience give credit to some new rubber chicken with a beeper up its butt credit for his improvements! I would think once a trapper is comfortable with his overall skills inside the box its time to start looking outside the box! IMO
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Post by lyonch on Sept 8, 2011 9:30:22 GMT -5
Trapping is just like the process of a house, if you don't have a good foundation to start with, you have nothing to build from. There is a lot that goes into the foundation of trapping. I have always kept trapping simple. I don't complex things. Don't over think the animal you are targeting. There is a reason why a human is the top of the food chain!
I do a lot of thinking outside the box to make things easier and quicker for me on my line. Some succeed and some fail, but knowing the basics is what tells me if my idea is a waste of time or if i should go through with it.
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Post by minnesotascott on Sept 8, 2011 18:18:33 GMT -5
CDR, I agree the basics of trapping are placement, location, learning your target critter also I want to add the right sized trap for targeted animal. I do agree with your other points also.
As trappers the basics are the basics, anything more and we start to step outside the box.
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Post by Law Dog on Sept 8, 2011 18:28:29 GMT -5
Without a foundation (inside the box) like Lyonch said, then thinking out of the box is just guess and hoping as you have no standard to compare to, you would not know if it worked better or just worked some! No bashing any kids on here as I was one a long time ago its a young persons nature to try to find a magic attractor to make up for the lack of skill yet to be learned! I just think of all the new stuff that has come out in the last 30 years and how little of it I use today, but I do use some things that I did not long ago so some stuff sticks just not much of it. (I still have a nice trappers cap used very little if anyone is interested!) LOL
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Post by cdr on Sept 8, 2011 18:42:07 GMT -5
My intent for this is really to point out that its the "outside the box" thinking that seperates us all in one way or another....
A feller that catches 500 beaver per year surely looks at things a little dif than a fella that gets 10.........(especially if all the variables are the same).
Isnt it funny that if you read all of the comments, most replys are leaning in one direction..... Even LawDog agrees with Lyonch whom stated something about a foundation being important (like basics in the box as I did in the opening statement of this thread)(LD can not allow himself to agree with me...lol).
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Post by minnesotascott on Sept 8, 2011 18:55:30 GMT -5
CDR, does not all trapping (catching) of furbearers start with the basics?
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Post by cdr on Sept 8, 2011 20:15:14 GMT -5
CDR, does not all trapping (catching) of furbearers start with the basics? It does for me...
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Post by scottjohns on Sept 8, 2011 20:18:32 GMT -5
CDR, does not all trapping (catching) of furbearers start with the basics? It does for me... My box has started out very small. With time it will grow.
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Post by Law Dog on Sept 8, 2011 21:06:24 GMT -5
Scottjohns, I'm not often speechless but this is one of them times! LMAO
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Post by scottjohns on Sept 8, 2011 21:13:07 GMT -5
LOL, I mean my trapping knowledge box. I was told you are a goofy ball.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2011 21:40:56 GMT -5
My intent for this is really to point out that its the "outside the box" thinking that seperates us all in one way or another....). That's it and shouldn't be a difficult concept to understand!
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