Post by fishinhank on Feb 24, 2011 22:50:28 GMT -5
Here is the transcript from tonight's beaver class put on by Minnesotascott, specifically using only footholds. Enjoy!
[minnesotascott] 9:01 class is open
[minnesotascott] as most know I am a foot hold guy, and don’t use coilspring traps
[minnesotascott] the traps I use are jumps and long springs
[Leftlane] I just bought a #5dls
[mohawktrapper16] now why do you prefer them over coilsprings
[minnesotascott] so let’s get the ball rolling
[Leftlane] how much water to drown say a 40# beaver?
[Forrest] All right now let's let minnesotascott have the floor....
[Leftlane] depth?
[FishinHank] one question at a time fellas
[happersilderness] left it depends how its trapped
[bill1958] faster, larger jaw spread and easier to bed
[minnesotascott] why mo mo, it is an old school thing, and in my opinion a double ls needs no mods to be a great trap and jumps fit tight spots very well
[minnesotascott] and used much cheaper to buy
[mohawktrapper16] okay
[Leftlane] follow the logic
[minnesotascott] leftlane depth front of hind foot
[minnesotascott] or hind foot
[Leftlane] im not handy enough to know what I will catch, lol, but I follow what you are saying
[bill1958] both scott
[Leftlane] yeah- both
[Leftlane] ?
[minnesotascott] myself for front foot 3-4" they have short front legs, hind foot 5-6"
[minnesotascott] myself I target the front foot 99% of the time
[minnesotascott] why?
[bill1958] why scott or do you want me to answer
[happersilderness] And that other 1% is for....
[minnesotascott] the legs on beaver are short
[happersilderness] need less water to bed the trap and less water to drown
[minnesotascott] the trap and its weight are closer to the head, keeps the head in the water
[Leftlane] are twist outs more common on the front foot?
[minnesotascott] leftlane, I feel twist outs are caused by poor holds, and a good hold comes from trap placement
[minnesotascott] and trap size
[minnesotascott] think about this guys...
[minnesotascott] when a beaver puts it foot down it spreads its toes
[minnesotascott] the hind foot spreads out very very wide, you need a much larger jaw spread then
[minnesotascott] even a 50# beaver the front foot might spread out to 3"
[mohawktrapper16] like cdr 7.5's are a good trap for hind foot targeting
[mohawktrapper16] good
[minnesotascott] mo mo, much better than using a #3
[minnesotascott] for hind foot
[bill1958] as a example close your fingers side by side look and then open as wide as you can and you will see the difference scott is talking about
[Leftlane] Is using an offset jaw a no no?
[mohawktrapper16] x2 on leftlanes question
[minnesotascott] leftlane I would not use offsets, beaver like otter never give up the fight till dead, and are you going to release a beaver, no matter the size?
[Forrest] Do you ever long chain your beaver scott?
[mohawktrapper16] but what if it’s on a drowner wire
[minnesotascott] in 34 years of trapping I have never released a beaver
[Leftlane] follow and thanks
[minnesotascott] forrest, no, why, I carry my supplies on my back and walk in 1/4 to 1/2 mile
[Leftlane] can it be done?
[bill1958] yes
[minnesotascott] but long chains do have their place, the chain adds weight, which helps in keeping the beaver under water
[bill1958] the longer chain helps to drown the beaver
[minnesotascott] LL it can be done and used by a lot of people
[Forrest] It's the only way I have trapped them with coils. They are just sitting there calmly until they see you...
[minnesotascott] forrest I don’t want the beaver looking at me, i want it dead when i get there
[Leftlane] would a long chain give them a chance to grab and get leverage on my hold
[Leftlane] like a coon or cat
[Leftlane] ?
[Forrest] We don’t have many beaver in my area I pop kits loose...
[bill1958] scott you ever have a beaver charge you?
[minnesotascott] think about it, what is more humane a beaver waiting alive or one dead upon your arrival
[minnesotascott] bill, yes
[minnesotascott] bill in my post asked about dive sticks and footholds
[minnesotascott] that is a set I use a lot
[Leftlane] post on this board?
[bill1958] lane I use a kill pole with chain when i set up for beaver .the beaver dives to the bottom and wraps around the kill pole and he’s history
[minnesotascott] this is a rough drawing I did of my dive stick set
[minnesotascott] i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj85/minnesotascott/class/gangdive.jpg
[minnesotascott] the smallest trap I use for this set is a #4 dbls
[bill1958] scott how deep of water will that set work
[minnesotascott] a trick to this set is not making a castor mound, but on dry land 50 feet away from the waters edge smearing castor 18" up on a tree
[minnesotascott] bill 3 foot is the deepest I will go with that set
[bill1958] k
[minnesotascott] I use no less than 3 dive sticks also
[bill1958] k
[minnesotascott] 3-5 seems to work best for me
[bill1958] k
[minnesotascott] a dive stick will not keep a beaver underwater for a long distance, in shallow water
[bill1958] I agree
[minnesotascott] a typical castor mound set i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj85/minnesotascott/class/castormoundsetup.jpg
[minnesotascott] some might ask is my trap offset
[minnesotascott] I use only 3-4" from center of the set
[minnesotascott] even a big beaver the front feet are only 6-7" apart
[minnesotascott] so 1/2 of that is 3-4"
[minnesotascott] some use 6", but I miss more with that offset
[bill1958] scott you ever use a bump stick barely under water
[minnesotascott] yes bill, I do and I use them a lot
[minnesotascott] my placement for the bump sticks is just 2-3" away from the trap, towards the shore
[bill1958] I agree
[minnesotascott] for the most part a beaver hits the sticks about at its shoulders, the distance from shoulder to foot is only a few inches
[bill1958] I agree
[minnesotascott] hold tight guys i am going to post 4 pictures of my typical castor mound set
[aaron] sweet
[minnesotascott] i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj85/minnesotascott/class/001.jpg
[minnesotascott] i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj85/minnesotascott/class/002.jpg
[minnesotascott] i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj85/minnesotascott/class/0042.jpg
[minnesotascott] trap placement
[minnesotascott] i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj85/minnesotascott/class/003.jpg
[minnesotascott] the trap in that picture, hard to see, is a #4 jump, they have a good 7" jaw spread, bed very nice and as the beaver pulls it pulls towards the spring
[minnesotascott] this picture bill was kind enough to share with me for this class
[minnesotascott] i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj85/minnesotascott/class/diagrams-2-11001-1beaVER.jpg
[bill1958] scott before you go any farther, guys with the bump stick when it hits the stick the beaver drops his feet
[minnesotascott] yes bill, the front foot drops first also
[bill1958] right
[minnesotascott] remember a beavers legs are very short
[bill1958] yep
[minnesotascott] when a beaver is in a slide run it has its body about 1/2 submerged also
[bill1958] I agree
[minnesotascott] this picture shows one of my old beaver trapping area in the spring
[minnesotascott] i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj85/minnesotascott/class/river005.jpg
[bill1958] guys about that picture
[minnesotascott] I loved it when this river was flooded
[minnesotascott] yes bill
[bill1958] you can take an 8 foot dead pole and fasten cable to one end and slide that end in to the deep mud
[bill1958] and then drive a stake at the other end and fasten the cable and trap
[minnesotascott] I think bill is talking about duckbill or other similar anchors
[Forrest] The pole is the stake then?
[minnesotascott] I should mention, I don’t use many slide wires
[bill1958] yes and no forrest
[minnesotascott] the main stake it the pogo, or some other such anchor on shore
[minnesotascott] the stake is to keep the wire tight, for the beaver to slide down to deeper water
[Forrest] right but it is a deep water anchor and can act as a tangle stake too right?
[bill1958] what you do is fasten the long pole down and stake the land end down .what the beaver will do is slide down the cable beside the pole and when you remove the beaver just pull the dead pole up the bank and remove the beaver
[minnesotascott] yes forrest and thank you for bringing up tangle stakes
[bill1958] then repeat without carrying extra tools
[minnesotascott] tangle stakes are the way I go
[minnesotascott] I don’t like to carry any more than I have to, sometimes I am carrying 6 traps, wire,and lure/bait more than a 1/4 mile into the woods
[bill1958] forrest it works like a drowner without having to lug sandbags or other weights
[minnesotascott] does everybody understand what a tangle stake is?
[FishinHank] yes
[bill1958] I do, works like a kill pole except it’s used in deep water
[minnesotascott] yes bill, that is it
[minnesotascott] when scouting beaver what do you guys use? eyes? nose? or just follow a river or stream?
[bill1958] eyes and nose
[Forrest] Taste...
[minnesotascott] my first is eyes, looking for sign, be it peeled sticks, muddy water, chewed trees
[minnesotascott] the more sign I see the more I use my nose, beaver have a smell all their own
[minnesotascott] sweet^
[bill1958] that’s the truth
[bill1958] I agree
[minnesotascott] bait/lure?
[bill1958] I also look for mud piles even if it has no castor on it
[minnesotascott] the best bait I have found is what the beaver is cutting down, be it poplar, birch, maple, etc
[minnesotascott] I like that forrest, I will remember that
[bill1958] scott you ever find a beaver to refuse a odor that they are feeding on
[minnesotascott] yes bill, let’s say the beaver are feeding on poplar bark
[bill1958] k
[minnesotascott] so a guy uses a lure with poplar oil in it, he leaves you move in to clean up
[minnesotascott] I would not use poplar oil or and lure that has it
[bill1958] it won’t work
[bill1958] that’s the bad part of cleaning up after other adc trappers, you run in to that problem
[minnesotascott] why, the smell from a lure that has poplar oil, the oil smells much stronger then the tree its self does
[minnesotascott] I would switch to a sweet smell. Beaver don’t really like to eat bark that has gone sour
[TravC] I’m not a beaver guy but I’m curious, what’s the whole 220 thing with beaver? I understand a lot of guys don’t like newbies hitting them first off but what’s the trick to using them
[Forrest] How do you usually apply your lure?
[bill1958] true scott but if you tap a poplar tree would that not be as strong in odor
[minnesotascott] bill it is not as concentrated
[bill1958] ok i see the point thanks
[minnesotascott] travc, the 220 is would not be my first trap to go to, but a 220 will and has killed a lot of beaver, just needs to be used at the right spot
[TravC] got ya
[minnesotascott] travc sort of like using a #2 dbls, it will catch and hold beaver, in the right spot it is fine, but not my go to foot hold
[bill1958] just because a trap will do the job don't always make it the best trap for the job
[TravC] agreed
[Forrest] X2
[minnesotascott] my foothold beaver traps are as follows in this order
[minnesotascott] #3 jump, #3 dbls, #4 jump, #4 newhouse dbls, #13 jump and #14 jump
[minnesotascott] I know not all states can use a trap with teeth at all
[minnesotascott] which the #13 and 14 both have
[bill1958] yes but there is a difference in the teeth
[minnesotascott] something to think about when after beaver next to a road
[minnesotascott] yes bill there is
[bill1958] they are designed to hold the beaver and not to cut the beaver
[minnesotascott] this spot was just 25 feet from a well traveled county road
[minnesotascott] i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj85/minnesotascott/class/008-6.jpg
[minnesotascott] I did not want to draw attention to my job of removing problem beaver. That said I do not hide
[minnesotascott] i was not comfortable setting next to the road
[minnesotascott] 10 minutes of walking the pond and i found
[minnesotascott] i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj85/minnesotascott/class/012-3.jpg
[minnesotascott] i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj85/minnesotascott/class/011-3.jpg
[minnesotascott] i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj85/minnesotascott/class/010-4.jpg
[minnesotascott] all these spot were not visible from the road, but only 50 yards away from the road
[minnesotascott] as with any trapping scouting and studying the area pays off big time
[TravC] can you set the lodge in minnesota and how do you feel about setting runs and lodges?
[minnesotascott] hold tight, I am getting a couple pictures of a 1 day, first day catch
[minnesotascott] travc, here in minnesota at the hut, a trap has to be under water, if a body gripper it has to be 1/2 submerged
[minnesotascott] I have no problem with trapping the hut or runs
[minnesotascott] this was a first day catch i was talking of
[minnesotascott] i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj85/minnesotascott/10-30-2010/006.jpg
[minnesotascott] i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj85/minnesotascott/10-30-2010/005.jpg
[minnesotascott] all caught with footholds, either castor mound sets or footholds with dive sticks
[minnesotascott] travc to expand on your question, i have found you catch more first year beaver at the hut
[bill1958] yep kits
[minnesotascott] but when doing problem beaver size does not matter
[bill1958] yes as long as it's dead
[minnesotascott] the only time I do my utmost to remove all beaver is adc work
[minnesotascott] most ponds not adc i will trap 1 to 1 1/2 weeks, that’s it
[bill1958] buddy you try that here and you will be in trouble, not uncommon here to find several huts in a mile section
[bill1958] the problem we face is no one will trap a 4.00 beaver and they are out of control
[minnesotascott] bill not to toot my own horn, but I had a job to remove some not all the beaver, 80 acres of land with a nice sized stream, that 80 acres had no less than 9 ponds with huts, 4 weeks 32 beaver, and I left stock
[minnesotascott] bill I think the main problem with beaver prices is the mountain man syndrome
[bill1958] that’s good but my point is it can be done we both know that but with adc beaver it can throw you a curb ball is what I am saying
[minnesotascott] yes it can bill, when I go to remove all beaver no holds barred
[bill1958] same here scott
[minnesotascott] for under ice pole sets I love to use a #3 jump or #4
[bill1958] all ears never trapped beaver under ice
[minnesotascott] might be hard to see but
[minnesotascott] i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj85/minnesotascott/class/poleice.jpg
[minnesotascott] I cut a slit in the pole that I wedge the spring into
[minnesotascott] I will do my best when putting the pole and trap in the water that the trap is horizontal
[minnesotascott] I make this set between the hut and the feed bed
[minnesotascott] I do have white 1/2" pvc pipe cut 4" long i will use in place of the peeled sticks
[bill1958] I read that but never knew it worked. Works more like eye appeal
[Forrest] Do you ever paint them lime green?
[minnesotascott] yes bill and it never turns brown
[minnesotascott] I never have forrest
[minnesotascott] I know some people paint the pvc but not totally
[Forrest] I have matched the green from some local peel sticks and used them with good success
[minnesotascott] it is the bright white that works
[bill1958] they make it look like a green limb that’s been eaten on
[Forrest] isn’t the green the food and the white a stick stripped of food?
[bill1958] yes Forrest
[minnesotascott] it is Forrest, but think of this, you are under ice, here anyway for 6 months, a new bright white shows
[minnesotascott] as we al
[bill1958] more of a curiosity factor
[minnesotascott] yes bill
[minnesotascott] yes forrest it does, but at the dump a guy can find a 4' chunk of pvc, cut it up no paint no extra cost
[minnesotascott] and I am cheap
[Forrest] Very True...
[minnesotascott] nobody asked about my tools?
[minnesotascott] wow
[minnesotascott] by tools I don’t mean the wire
[minnesotascott] i use linesmen pliers and a sandvik
[minnesotascott] a sandvik is a brush axe, I use it to cut stakes and as a hammer
[minnesotascott] it is the 4th picture down
[minnesotascott] www.mainetechnicalsource.com/fieldsupplies.html#70
[Forrest] looks deadly...
[minnesotascott] and it can be used as a noggin knocking club when needed
[minnesotascott] forrest it is a fantastic tool
[Forrest] Never used one...
[minnesotascott] it weighs maybe 5 pounds, a little over 3' long
[minnesotascott] replaceable blades that are easy to sharpen
[Forrest] What part do you use as a hammer?
[minnesotascott] the head of it, it is like flat strap iron
[minnesotascott] and the metal head is spring steel
[minnesotascott] 9:01 class is open
[minnesotascott] as most know I am a foot hold guy, and don’t use coilspring traps
[minnesotascott] the traps I use are jumps and long springs
[Leftlane] I just bought a #5dls
[mohawktrapper16] now why do you prefer them over coilsprings
[minnesotascott] so let’s get the ball rolling
[Leftlane] how much water to drown say a 40# beaver?
[Forrest] All right now let's let minnesotascott have the floor....
[Leftlane] depth?
[FishinHank] one question at a time fellas
[happersilderness] left it depends how its trapped
[bill1958] faster, larger jaw spread and easier to bed
[minnesotascott] why mo mo, it is an old school thing, and in my opinion a double ls needs no mods to be a great trap and jumps fit tight spots very well
[minnesotascott] and used much cheaper to buy
[mohawktrapper16] okay
[Leftlane] follow the logic
[minnesotascott] leftlane depth front of hind foot
[minnesotascott] or hind foot
[Leftlane] im not handy enough to know what I will catch, lol, but I follow what you are saying
[bill1958] both scott
[Leftlane] yeah- both
[Leftlane] ?
[minnesotascott] myself for front foot 3-4" they have short front legs, hind foot 5-6"
[minnesotascott] myself I target the front foot 99% of the time
[minnesotascott] why?
[bill1958] why scott or do you want me to answer
[happersilderness] And that other 1% is for....
[minnesotascott] the legs on beaver are short
[happersilderness] need less water to bed the trap and less water to drown
[minnesotascott] the trap and its weight are closer to the head, keeps the head in the water
[Leftlane] are twist outs more common on the front foot?
[minnesotascott] leftlane, I feel twist outs are caused by poor holds, and a good hold comes from trap placement
[minnesotascott] and trap size
[minnesotascott] think about this guys...
[minnesotascott] when a beaver puts it foot down it spreads its toes
[minnesotascott] the hind foot spreads out very very wide, you need a much larger jaw spread then
[minnesotascott] even a 50# beaver the front foot might spread out to 3"
[mohawktrapper16] like cdr 7.5's are a good trap for hind foot targeting
[mohawktrapper16] good
[minnesotascott] mo mo, much better than using a #3
[minnesotascott] for hind foot
[bill1958] as a example close your fingers side by side look and then open as wide as you can and you will see the difference scott is talking about
[Leftlane] Is using an offset jaw a no no?
[mohawktrapper16] x2 on leftlanes question
[minnesotascott] leftlane I would not use offsets, beaver like otter never give up the fight till dead, and are you going to release a beaver, no matter the size?
[Forrest] Do you ever long chain your beaver scott?
[mohawktrapper16] but what if it’s on a drowner wire
[minnesotascott] in 34 years of trapping I have never released a beaver
[Leftlane] follow and thanks
[minnesotascott] forrest, no, why, I carry my supplies on my back and walk in 1/4 to 1/2 mile
[Leftlane] can it be done?
[bill1958] yes
[minnesotascott] but long chains do have their place, the chain adds weight, which helps in keeping the beaver under water
[bill1958] the longer chain helps to drown the beaver
[minnesotascott] LL it can be done and used by a lot of people
[Forrest] It's the only way I have trapped them with coils. They are just sitting there calmly until they see you...
[minnesotascott] forrest I don’t want the beaver looking at me, i want it dead when i get there
[Leftlane] would a long chain give them a chance to grab and get leverage on my hold
[Leftlane] like a coon or cat
[Leftlane] ?
[Forrest] We don’t have many beaver in my area I pop kits loose...
[bill1958] scott you ever have a beaver charge you?
[minnesotascott] think about it, what is more humane a beaver waiting alive or one dead upon your arrival
[minnesotascott] bill, yes
[minnesotascott] bill in my post asked about dive sticks and footholds
[minnesotascott] that is a set I use a lot
[Leftlane] post on this board?
[bill1958] lane I use a kill pole with chain when i set up for beaver .the beaver dives to the bottom and wraps around the kill pole and he’s history
[minnesotascott] this is a rough drawing I did of my dive stick set
[minnesotascott] i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj85/minnesotascott/class/gangdive.jpg
[minnesotascott] the smallest trap I use for this set is a #4 dbls
[bill1958] scott how deep of water will that set work
[minnesotascott] a trick to this set is not making a castor mound, but on dry land 50 feet away from the waters edge smearing castor 18" up on a tree
[minnesotascott] bill 3 foot is the deepest I will go with that set
[bill1958] k
[minnesotascott] I use no less than 3 dive sticks also
[bill1958] k
[minnesotascott] 3-5 seems to work best for me
[bill1958] k
[minnesotascott] a dive stick will not keep a beaver underwater for a long distance, in shallow water
[bill1958] I agree
[minnesotascott] a typical castor mound set i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj85/minnesotascott/class/castormoundsetup.jpg
[minnesotascott] some might ask is my trap offset
[minnesotascott] I use only 3-4" from center of the set
[minnesotascott] even a big beaver the front feet are only 6-7" apart
[minnesotascott] so 1/2 of that is 3-4"
[minnesotascott] some use 6", but I miss more with that offset
[bill1958] scott you ever use a bump stick barely under water
[minnesotascott] yes bill, I do and I use them a lot
[minnesotascott] my placement for the bump sticks is just 2-3" away from the trap, towards the shore
[bill1958] I agree
[minnesotascott] for the most part a beaver hits the sticks about at its shoulders, the distance from shoulder to foot is only a few inches
[bill1958] I agree
[minnesotascott] hold tight guys i am going to post 4 pictures of my typical castor mound set
[aaron] sweet
[minnesotascott] i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj85/minnesotascott/class/001.jpg
[minnesotascott] i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj85/minnesotascott/class/002.jpg
[minnesotascott] i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj85/minnesotascott/class/0042.jpg
[minnesotascott] trap placement
[minnesotascott] i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj85/minnesotascott/class/003.jpg
[minnesotascott] the trap in that picture, hard to see, is a #4 jump, they have a good 7" jaw spread, bed very nice and as the beaver pulls it pulls towards the spring
[minnesotascott] this picture bill was kind enough to share with me for this class
[minnesotascott] i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj85/minnesotascott/class/diagrams-2-11001-1beaVER.jpg
[bill1958] scott before you go any farther, guys with the bump stick when it hits the stick the beaver drops his feet
[minnesotascott] yes bill, the front foot drops first also
[bill1958] right
[minnesotascott] remember a beavers legs are very short
[bill1958] yep
[minnesotascott] when a beaver is in a slide run it has its body about 1/2 submerged also
[bill1958] I agree
[minnesotascott] this picture shows one of my old beaver trapping area in the spring
[minnesotascott] i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj85/minnesotascott/class/river005.jpg
[bill1958] guys about that picture
[minnesotascott] I loved it when this river was flooded
[minnesotascott] yes bill
[bill1958] you can take an 8 foot dead pole and fasten cable to one end and slide that end in to the deep mud
[bill1958] and then drive a stake at the other end and fasten the cable and trap
[minnesotascott] I think bill is talking about duckbill or other similar anchors
[Forrest] The pole is the stake then?
[minnesotascott] I should mention, I don’t use many slide wires
[bill1958] yes and no forrest
[minnesotascott] the main stake it the pogo, or some other such anchor on shore
[minnesotascott] the stake is to keep the wire tight, for the beaver to slide down to deeper water
[Forrest] right but it is a deep water anchor and can act as a tangle stake too right?
[bill1958] what you do is fasten the long pole down and stake the land end down .what the beaver will do is slide down the cable beside the pole and when you remove the beaver just pull the dead pole up the bank and remove the beaver
[minnesotascott] yes forrest and thank you for bringing up tangle stakes
[bill1958] then repeat without carrying extra tools
[minnesotascott] tangle stakes are the way I go
[minnesotascott] I don’t like to carry any more than I have to, sometimes I am carrying 6 traps, wire,and lure/bait more than a 1/4 mile into the woods
[bill1958] forrest it works like a drowner without having to lug sandbags or other weights
[minnesotascott] does everybody understand what a tangle stake is?
[FishinHank] yes
[bill1958] I do, works like a kill pole except it’s used in deep water
[minnesotascott] yes bill, that is it
[minnesotascott] when scouting beaver what do you guys use? eyes? nose? or just follow a river or stream?
[bill1958] eyes and nose
[Forrest] Taste...
[minnesotascott] my first is eyes, looking for sign, be it peeled sticks, muddy water, chewed trees
[minnesotascott] the more sign I see the more I use my nose, beaver have a smell all their own
[minnesotascott] sweet^
[bill1958] that’s the truth
[bill1958] I agree
[minnesotascott] bait/lure?
[bill1958] I also look for mud piles even if it has no castor on it
[minnesotascott] the best bait I have found is what the beaver is cutting down, be it poplar, birch, maple, etc
[minnesotascott] I like that forrest, I will remember that
[bill1958] scott you ever find a beaver to refuse a odor that they are feeding on
[minnesotascott] yes bill, let’s say the beaver are feeding on poplar bark
[bill1958] k
[minnesotascott] so a guy uses a lure with poplar oil in it, he leaves you move in to clean up
[minnesotascott] I would not use poplar oil or and lure that has it
[bill1958] it won’t work
[bill1958] that’s the bad part of cleaning up after other adc trappers, you run in to that problem
[minnesotascott] why, the smell from a lure that has poplar oil, the oil smells much stronger then the tree its self does
[minnesotascott] I would switch to a sweet smell. Beaver don’t really like to eat bark that has gone sour
[TravC] I’m not a beaver guy but I’m curious, what’s the whole 220 thing with beaver? I understand a lot of guys don’t like newbies hitting them first off but what’s the trick to using them
[Forrest] How do you usually apply your lure?
[bill1958] true scott but if you tap a poplar tree would that not be as strong in odor
[minnesotascott] bill it is not as concentrated
[bill1958] ok i see the point thanks
[minnesotascott] travc, the 220 is would not be my first trap to go to, but a 220 will and has killed a lot of beaver, just needs to be used at the right spot
[TravC] got ya
[minnesotascott] travc sort of like using a #2 dbls, it will catch and hold beaver, in the right spot it is fine, but not my go to foot hold
[bill1958] just because a trap will do the job don't always make it the best trap for the job
[TravC] agreed
[Forrest] X2
[minnesotascott] my foothold beaver traps are as follows in this order
[minnesotascott] #3 jump, #3 dbls, #4 jump, #4 newhouse dbls, #13 jump and #14 jump
[minnesotascott] I know not all states can use a trap with teeth at all
[minnesotascott] which the #13 and 14 both have
[bill1958] yes but there is a difference in the teeth
[minnesotascott] something to think about when after beaver next to a road
[minnesotascott] yes bill there is
[bill1958] they are designed to hold the beaver and not to cut the beaver
[minnesotascott] this spot was just 25 feet from a well traveled county road
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[minnesotascott] I did not want to draw attention to my job of removing problem beaver. That said I do not hide
[minnesotascott] i was not comfortable setting next to the road
[minnesotascott] 10 minutes of walking the pond and i found
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[minnesotascott] all these spot were not visible from the road, but only 50 yards away from the road
[minnesotascott] as with any trapping scouting and studying the area pays off big time
[TravC] can you set the lodge in minnesota and how do you feel about setting runs and lodges?
[minnesotascott] hold tight, I am getting a couple pictures of a 1 day, first day catch
[minnesotascott] travc, here in minnesota at the hut, a trap has to be under water, if a body gripper it has to be 1/2 submerged
[minnesotascott] I have no problem with trapping the hut or runs
[minnesotascott] this was a first day catch i was talking of
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[minnesotascott] all caught with footholds, either castor mound sets or footholds with dive sticks
[minnesotascott] travc to expand on your question, i have found you catch more first year beaver at the hut
[bill1958] yep kits
[minnesotascott] but when doing problem beaver size does not matter
[bill1958] yes as long as it's dead
[minnesotascott] the only time I do my utmost to remove all beaver is adc work
[minnesotascott] most ponds not adc i will trap 1 to 1 1/2 weeks, that’s it
[bill1958] buddy you try that here and you will be in trouble, not uncommon here to find several huts in a mile section
[bill1958] the problem we face is no one will trap a 4.00 beaver and they are out of control
[minnesotascott] bill not to toot my own horn, but I had a job to remove some not all the beaver, 80 acres of land with a nice sized stream, that 80 acres had no less than 9 ponds with huts, 4 weeks 32 beaver, and I left stock
[minnesotascott] bill I think the main problem with beaver prices is the mountain man syndrome
[bill1958] that’s good but my point is it can be done we both know that but with adc beaver it can throw you a curb ball is what I am saying
[minnesotascott] yes it can bill, when I go to remove all beaver no holds barred
[bill1958] same here scott
[minnesotascott] for under ice pole sets I love to use a #3 jump or #4
[bill1958] all ears never trapped beaver under ice
[minnesotascott] might be hard to see but
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[minnesotascott] I cut a slit in the pole that I wedge the spring into
[minnesotascott] I will do my best when putting the pole and trap in the water that the trap is horizontal
[minnesotascott] I make this set between the hut and the feed bed
[minnesotascott] I do have white 1/2" pvc pipe cut 4" long i will use in place of the peeled sticks
[bill1958] I read that but never knew it worked. Works more like eye appeal
[Forrest] Do you ever paint them lime green?
[minnesotascott] yes bill and it never turns brown
[minnesotascott] I never have forrest
[minnesotascott] I know some people paint the pvc but not totally
[Forrest] I have matched the green from some local peel sticks and used them with good success
[minnesotascott] it is the bright white that works
[bill1958] they make it look like a green limb that’s been eaten on
[Forrest] isn’t the green the food and the white a stick stripped of food?
[bill1958] yes Forrest
[minnesotascott] it is Forrest, but think of this, you are under ice, here anyway for 6 months, a new bright white shows
[minnesotascott] as we al
[bill1958] more of a curiosity factor
[minnesotascott] yes bill
[minnesotascott] yes forrest it does, but at the dump a guy can find a 4' chunk of pvc, cut it up no paint no extra cost
[minnesotascott] and I am cheap
[Forrest] Very True...
[minnesotascott] nobody asked about my tools?
[minnesotascott] wow
[minnesotascott] by tools I don’t mean the wire
[minnesotascott] i use linesmen pliers and a sandvik
[minnesotascott] a sandvik is a brush axe, I use it to cut stakes and as a hammer
[minnesotascott] it is the 4th picture down
[minnesotascott] www.mainetechnicalsource.com/fieldsupplies.html#70
[Forrest] looks deadly...
[minnesotascott] and it can be used as a noggin knocking club when needed
[minnesotascott] forrest it is a fantastic tool
[Forrest] Never used one...
[minnesotascott] it weighs maybe 5 pounds, a little over 3' long
[minnesotascott] replaceable blades that are easy to sharpen
[Forrest] What part do you use as a hammer?
[minnesotascott] the head of it, it is like flat strap iron
[minnesotascott] and the metal head is spring steel