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Post by mark572 on May 22, 2011 15:47:36 GMT -5
I have use this dye for many years works really good and last a good length of time!! you will find a little residue will come off on your hands but wont be to bad!!
i use 20 gallons of rain water or from a pond or lake..
1 to 2 lbs of hemlock bark.
1 to 2 lbs of poplar bark
1lbs white ceder bark and 1lb of ceder spills
add this mixture to the water and stir it all in very good let sit over night next morning stir this up again, now bring to a good hard boil for 1/2 to 1 hour turn heat to a simmer keep stirring this mix before and between each batch of traps you add.I my self like the out come from a 15 minute simmer take traps out let air dry and cool real good then after i do up a few more batches of traps i put the first batch back in for another 15 minute simmer take them out and hang to air dry and you traps are nice and black with a good coating on the traps...IMO the simmer wont harm the springs the same as a hard boil for to long !!!!
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Post by bill1958 on May 22, 2011 15:56:55 GMT -5
nice post mark
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Post by bigtwinhd on May 22, 2011 16:03:27 GMT -5
Mark what are cedar "spills"? Also, I put a layer of rocks in the bottom of my pot to keep them off from the flames. I use a big stainless pot over a tractor trailer rim. Will a hard boil hurt the springs if they are held off the flame?
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Post by mark572 on May 22, 2011 16:12:21 GMT -5
Like the leaves I'm talking about Luke the green spills!!! I have done it the way your talking and it does work..But I'm a old dog and less i heat the trap the better off it is..probley will not hurt a thing!! I my self don't trust todays steel standards so i use low heat..I also use propane I'm not sure if it would ever hurt anything with the wood smoke (BUT) i feel there is a chance of smoke .
Thanks bill!
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Post by ScottRainbolt on May 22, 2011 16:41:16 GMT -5
boli all you want bigwinhd you cant get water hot anuff to hurt the springs it will turn to steam before it gets that hot. i just hang mine from a wire of the side of the barrel
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Post by bigtwinhd on May 22, 2011 16:56:03 GMT -5
Green spills, now you're just making up words to confuse me..... I be simple folk.
I do a rather light rolling of the water when dying them. I just raise or lower the chainfall to get it like that. I generally dye them again after they dry off, which happens fairly quick with them so hot.
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Post by mark572 on May 22, 2011 17:52:22 GMT -5
OK luke if this dosent help ya i dont know what to do...LOL
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Post by bigtwinhd on May 22, 2011 18:27:24 GMT -5
Ha! I was just messing with you Mark. Well, the second post I was anyway. The first post...... I had no idea what they were.
Do you note a pretty good cedar scent when you do them this way? Ever put everything in a cheesecloth bag? Like a big teabag I guess. Reason I ask is that I used maple bark once and though it worked well, I was picking bark mung off of my traps for a while. I already got some logwood dye to use this year, maybe I'll add some "cedar spills" to the mix.
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Post by mark572 on May 22, 2011 19:20:24 GMT -5
After a few days i cant smell anything from the ceder or hemlock! no ive always just put i the kettle
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Post by bushdog on May 23, 2011 6:26:51 GMT -5
Good post Mark ...... I used only Maple bark when I lived there.
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Post by Forrest on May 23, 2011 7:56:27 GMT -5
boli all you want bigwinhd you cant get water hot anuff to hurt the springs it will turn to steam before it gets that hot. i just hang mine from a wire of the side of the barrel X2 I have some long springs that I have boiled to death over the last 20 years and the springs are still at 80-90%.
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Post by walkercoonhunter on May 23, 2011 18:52:12 GMT -5
i always use sumac pods or walnuts...im partial to the walnuts tho...seems i get a better job with the walnuts....
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Post by minnesotascott on May 23, 2011 19:03:15 GMT -5
Big, remember water boils at 212. it takes alot more heat to take the temper out. I use ceder bark, birch bark, small chunks of ceder, birch leaves, maple bark and leaves. And dont be afraid of Aspen (poplar) bark. I have never bought a commerical dye for me traps. This past winter I did a test with some very old Lipton Tea bags. Using old Basil(the herb) I use all sorts of different things to dye traps with.
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Post by bigtwinhd on May 23, 2011 20:29:11 GMT -5
Yup, water boils at 212, but I am always skiddish of the flames a 1/16 away from longsprings. I was going to powdercoat some 1 1/2's for coon because I have faith in the paint, and I can do it at home. But I flow the powder at 400 degrees and then cook at 350 for 20 minutes. This temp will mess with springs. My theory is that springs at the bottom of the pot will be in excess of 212 degrees where water doesn't circulate quickly, but will be cooler once it reaches the top.
Crazy I suppose, but what does it take to toss in a few small rocks? Especially when I have the kids do it!
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Post by minnesotascott on May 23, 2011 20:40:46 GMT -5
Big, if that is your worry, cut down a bbq crate and put that on the bottom. Set it on a couple small chunks of brick.
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Post by bigtwinhd on May 23, 2011 20:49:19 GMT -5
Good idea Scott. Man my computer sure isn't to happy with this hotel room... Didn't think that post sent so I copied it. Here's the rest. ------------
Oh, one more thing. Do you see any difference in amount of dug up traps using non native dyes? My fox don't see much Basil or Tea. Nor the Logwood trees that I don't even think are in the USA!
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Post by Law Dog on May 27, 2011 8:50:55 GMT -5
No trees here in SD! Will have to use the bag stuff!!!! LOL
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