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Post by bill1958 on Jun 4, 2011 12:36:33 GMT -5
whats your thoughts on this ?
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Post by sniperbbb on Jun 4, 2011 12:58:04 GMT -5
All things being equal, its a personal preference. Chunk and paste baits stay where you put them and hold up better under tough weather, until a catch or an animal steals them that doesnt get caught. Chunk/paste is also much easier and less messy to apply which is critical when canines as that can lead to rolling at hole sets. The thing I would worry as a (commercial)luremaker would be consistency of production regarding penetration of preservatives and bait solutions if used.
I dont mess with a lot of liquid baits mainly because that means that I have to carry or find something at the set to act as a lure holder as baits/lures and earth dont play well together for the trapper. Though if I am running a line where I need to get sets put in as fast as possible, liquid baits are very fast to apply, just be careful to not get any on the dirt pattern for canine sets. A liquid bait that doesn't come in a squirt bottle doesnt get to sit in my bait rotation long.
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Post by Law Dog on Jun 4, 2011 13:38:52 GMT -5
Use bait for coon/skunk/possum only, I like the fish steaks about the size of the back of the hand wide and 2 inch thick. Have tried ground fish, fish oil and the steaks are the best for lasting at the set and is harder for the little pest to take very easily! I have a buddy with the use of a band saw and he freezes them then cuts them into steaks and bags them in 3-4 lb bags. All I do is dump a couple of baggies into my bait bucket the when I get low and by the next day I'm good to go. I give him the fish and I get 1/2 back bagged up and cut up!
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Post by redeagle on Jun 4, 2011 13:57:26 GMT -5
I like liquid bait for several reasons. First, because it is in a bottle, it is easy to transport. Second, it can be squirted down a dirt hole and you don't need a bait fork or other tool to place the bait. Third, an animal cannot dig the bait out, steal it and run off with it to eat it somewhere else. Fourth, the animal continues to work the set, digging in the hole, trying to get at the perceived bait. Fifth, liquid bait has more surface area exposed to the air to put out scent than does a chunk of bait. I make an inexpensive liquid bait that is very attractive to animals in my trapping territory. I put two cans of lightly smoked sardines (found at Dollar General stores) and a can of jack mackerel into a blender with some peanut oil and run the machine until it's a creamy liquid. If too thick, add more oil. When thoroughly mixed, sprinkle in some SB granules and pour in some glycerine and run the blender some more to mix these last two ingredients into the bait. When done, put in a squeeze-type bottle, such as a ketchup bottle. You're good to go with an attractive, preserved, freeze-proof all-animal liquid bait. As it separates, you will need to occasionally shake it to keep it mixed as you use it. No big deal here.
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Post by ewoktrapper on Jun 4, 2011 14:19:15 GMT -5
I got away from baits for k-9's.It's always was a hassel to deal with.Now that being said Only real decent market liquid bait i found for k-9's is Main squeese by Blackie..
Chunk bait On the market bait I found best is Hiawatha by Cravens...Tried others ,but this one stands out..
Home made... Horse hoof liquid bait is a ringer,but to hard to to get supplys for and to boil it down.I just don't have the out let to make it.Killer on yotes .....
I put up salted fish chunks for water trapping.2 inch chunks and the salt is an antifreeze when the cold hits.
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Post by hideman on Jun 4, 2011 14:34:43 GMT -5
Redeagle,
Sounds like your liquid bait would work well. You mention it is freeze proof; does the consistency change enough in cold that it still remains workable out of your ketchup bottles?
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Post by bill1958 on Jun 4, 2011 16:59:52 GMT -5
redeagle you hit a lot of factors on the liquid bait and all good points. that formula you posted is a great formula the only thing i do different is i add i teaspoon of liquid smoke for cold weather.thats what tony (dh) caught his 3 cats and a coon in 20 degree weather on plus my cat gland lure.
hideman just add more glycerine and put it in a freezer and check on it till you get what are looking for in a bait
the same thing can be done with fruit paste but fruit paste you must add some methyl parben .the methyl parben has a agent that prevents mold and is a preservate ,then add your glycerine and other ingredents,like shell fish oil,salmon oil or even anise . .the fruit paste will take on the odor.i learned a lot about fruit paste from carol black and joeanne from blackies. a bunch of great people.
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Post by redeagle on Jun 4, 2011 23:08:17 GMT -5
Hideman, go with what Bill said: just put it in the freezer and see if it freezes up. If it does, then add more glycerine. Bill, I will have to add the liquid smoke, as you recommended. I didn't think of doing that and think it's a great idea.
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