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Post by dieselweasel on Jun 27, 2011 8:16:06 GMT -5
What's your guys' opinion on this?
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Post by mark572 on Jun 27, 2011 10:07:53 GMT -5
IMO little small but i feel a 1.75 is a very good choice! I know a few guys that use them and have no problems!
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Post by ScottRainbolt on Jun 27, 2011 10:39:44 GMT -5
use #3 and 4s here
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Post by redrooster on Jun 27, 2011 10:42:24 GMT -5
I caught and held two yotes last year in Duke 1.5's I did not set them intentionally for yotes nor would I reccomend it. I like a bigger jaw spread for yotes
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Post by dtraper on Jun 27, 2011 11:11:46 GMT -5
Scott got it right,3 and 4 is the right, me I use a 3 bridger 4 coiled- still a yote can do some damage[bent dog mostly]but small trap is going to take a beating,popped jaws ,bent frame
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Post by deadwolf on Jun 27, 2011 11:23:06 GMT -5
Mb 650s & #4s here. bigger the jaw spread the better you are.
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Post by dieselweasel on Jun 27, 2011 12:11:08 GMT -5
Does the lack of jaw spread make it a poor choice even if it has strong springs, or are they just not built to be able to hold an animal of that caliber for that long?
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Post by timberhippie on Jun 27, 2011 12:13:04 GMT -5
To all you guys who love your big traps you better get off the net and get on the NTA. There is a serious push within certain groups for BMP's if you don't know what they are you better educate yourself. They are saying according to their research a 1.5 is an appropriate sized coyote trap.
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Post by bill1958 on Jun 27, 2011 12:54:04 GMT -5
To all you guys who love your big traps you better get off the net and get on the NTA. There is a serious push within certain groups for BMP's if you don't know what they are you better educate yourself. They are saying according to their research a 1.5 is an appropriate sized coyote trap. i 100% agree hippie all i use for yotes here is a 1 1/2 coil and the only trap problem in 4 years is one bent dog,the thing is this .when you use a small trap like the 1 1/2 coil you must be dead on the money with trap placement were as a larger trap it leaves you a little room for mistakes and i feel thats all it is
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Post by deadwolf on Jun 27, 2011 12:58:07 GMT -5
To all you guys who love your big traps you better get off the net and get on the NTA. There is a serious push within certain groups for BMP's if you don't know what they are you better educate yourself. They are saying according to their research a 1.5 is an appropriate sized coyote trap. I've read it, Don't believe it tho. Have a friend that held a timberwolf in a 1.5. doesn't mean thats the trap for the job.
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Post by minifoxer on Jun 27, 2011 13:14:33 GMT -5
For starting out, i would reccomend a 1 3/4 or a #2 Like bill said it leaves a little room for mistake, and when your just starting out you'll make plenty of those little mistakes. It's then you'll wish you had a bigger trap in that bed =)
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Post by ScottRainbolt on Jun 27, 2011 13:31:22 GMT -5
To all you guys who love your big traps you better get off the net and get on the NTA. There is a serious push within certain groups for BMP's if you don't know what they are you better educate yourself. They are saying according to their research a 1.5 is an appropriate sized coyote trap. hippie i know about the bmp had a hand in the testing here in tn. and still had time for the net i use the biggest trap allowed by my state i have talked to the guys that set our laws up here and they have no planes of following the bmp guild lines here so i will keep on using my big traps imo is a1.5 a yote trap no its a fox and coon trap do i need a #4 maybe not but my state says i can use it so i will
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Post by bill1958 on Jun 27, 2011 13:35:00 GMT -5
To all you guys who love your big traps you better get off the net and get on the NTA. There is a serious push within certain groups for BMP's if you don't know what they are you better educate yourself. They are saying according to their research a 1.5 is an appropriate sized coyote trap. I've read it, Don't believe it tho. Have a friend that held a timberwolf in a 1.5. doesn't mean thats the trap for the job. it was never said it was the right trap for the job but just the same it will do the job. a lot of people thought a trapping law was a hoax like fla,colafonia,new jersey and colrado and look were they are at right now and you can bet this it will soon happen in other places if we keep our head in the sand and do nothing and sorry lol i can't spell
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Post by dieselweasel on Jun 27, 2011 13:38:04 GMT -5
Bill what can we do to stop them?
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Post by tmrschessie on Jun 27, 2011 13:45:53 GMT -5
I have take several yotes in the old 1 1/2 Montgomery...switch to Bob Custer's "Top Dog" and you shouldn't have any more chewed dogs....Tom
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Post by deadwolf on Jun 27, 2011 14:02:05 GMT -5
Bill what can we do to stop them? X2
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Post by bill1958 on Jun 27, 2011 14:25:55 GMT -5
Bill what can we do to stop them? brother all we can do is stick togather and fight them .we teach the proper way to do things ,teach the public that trapping is important to the animals welfare .one person can not carry the torch it takes us all.if we divide we fall and thats been proven over and over threw history. like i said all i use is a 1 1/2 coil for fox,coon,cats and yotes now i want set here and say it's the best yote trap because it's not but keep a open mind and think about this we can set a trap with a 6 inch jaw spread how ever if we catch a dog that dog must be paid for and i for one do not want to buy a high dollar coon dog.it's so easy to be set up here it's un real.lets say you dropped off a sooner and i catch that dog and you see it ,all you have to do is call the warden and now i am in court and forced to pay the vet bill .a dog you droped off and did not want and you just got paid for a dog you never wanted. what is this all got to do with dealing with the government every thing our trappers waited for each other to do some thing and never done nothing and by having thier head in the sand we lost a lot. our commercial fishing,running deer with dogs, and snapper trapping is at risk right now.we just lost our big catfish as now we can only keep one over 34 inches ,what do you think it did to the commerical catfishing ?we also lost our live market and the state made it clear that it would never come back. my point is this if we don't try to do some thing about it then we have no right to cry when we lose that prevalage.remember trapping is not one of your rights and it can be removed at any point and time if we leave our head in the sand. last year when hunting deer with dogs went to montogomery ,i was the only trapper there and i got slammed by the state,and the dog runners and thats what hurts every sport rather it's fishing,hunting or trapping. we lost some state land with a lake to a hunting club and now if we goe on it we goe to jail but just the same we pay taxes to keep the land up.just like we lost another because the state will not keep the road up todate. why because people lets the government take over and do nothing and then cry when they lose it
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Post by bill1958 on Jun 27, 2011 14:51:01 GMT -5
first off we all stick togather ,meaning hunters,fisherman,trappers and any other out door sportsman.
when you see a post asking you to voice your mind do it ,don't wait till tomorrow do it right then.
work with the public ,rather it's demo's or even schools,or youth clubs
keep a eye on whats going on around you and other states
and you must be able to vote.
i have been doing this for years,pm ricklittleton on here ,i have been making free lures for his youth club for several years and at one time had almost a 100 kids at one time.now this is not about me .these kids move from the area over time and these kids teach other kids and if each kid teaches 10 more thats 1000 more kids and this will help build our numbers up to stop this crap.i beleave it's not us that will stop this it's our kids that will but we must build the road to give them that chance
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Post by sshoesmd on Jun 27, 2011 15:15:36 GMT -5
I to have held a coyote in a duke 1 1/2 with no damage to the trap and in that area that I trap has a high number of coyote. Its not the trap for coyote but putting a base plating, shock spring and a heavier chain and swivels. If you got the traps already,rework them or sell them and go to a heavier trap.----as for the political part of this,Arizona outlawed leg hold traps on public land and now there neighbor,New Mexico is trying to do the same.I see a trend here.
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Post by timberhippie on Jun 27, 2011 15:25:04 GMT -5
Bill is on the right track. The BMP's were bad from the word go. Look at gun control would it be a good idea to have a list of the only guns acceptable to hunt certain game with. Now don't go all certain calibers crazy here. What I mean is say they said a 243 was what you need for deer so all 270 and larger you couldn't use anymore. This is not fiction it is incremental steps toward a final goal. I hope those who did it thinking it would help the cause will stand up and take the blame when they turn or own testing on us. PS if you think stupid laws don't happen check out Oklahoma's laws.
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Post by bill1958 on Jun 27, 2011 15:56:40 GMT -5
hippe again i agree
they pulled the same stunt in fla with commercial salt fishing. before you could get two types one was a restricted spicies and the other a salt water products permit.now what they did was the state made some change and told these fisherman that the law would let them sale any fish but once these changes can in to play .all the salt water product guys lost thier job and the restricted permits was cut down ,by not doing thier home work hurt every one.
i remember getting laid off from work and i had to feed my family and i spear fished sheep head ,now at that time i got 75 cents a pound undressed and on a bad night speared 200 lbs thats $150.00 a day and thats good wages, now since these laws was changed i can not sale any type of fish because they done away with the salt water products permit and changed the law in that process ,now if it happen again were would i be i can tell you ,on the streets living off welfare .now if the state went the other way then there is no need for food stamps ,welfare,or any reason to be on the streets.can it happen ,hell yes it can as i have seen and been there.
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Post by shadowalker on Jun 27, 2011 16:20:01 GMT -5
I would like to make a point on staying active in protecting our sport. There is something else. Be extremely carefull of what you say. I write a lot of letters to editors and such. I have had them "Edit" my letters to say things I did not say. If you make the slightest mistake you will be jumped on. Stay short and to the point. And be very clear. Dont give them the chance to twist your words. DO not write a response when you are mad. Sit back drink a beer and think up a cool factual response. With my letters I do not expect to make any progress with the eco-nuts. But I do hope to get my argument to the undicided public. It is them who count.
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Post by backwoodsman on Jun 28, 2011 0:32:54 GMT -5
All we use for yotes is 1.5's, 1.65's and 1.75's. We set a few no.2 DLS in the winter when the snow is here. few simple mods and those 3 coilsprings hold any yotes we want too. We even filled 3 of the 3 badger limit we have with those same traps. High levers in 1.5 are preferred. Some of our older 1.5's arent suitable.
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Post by ewoktrapper on Jun 28, 2011 8:07:07 GMT -5
I have take several yotes in the old 1 1/2 Montgomery...switch to Bob Custer's "Top Dog" and you shouldn't have any more chewed dogs....Tom Amen Brother. Everytime I run into monty's I buy them.Those little round jaws will hold a John Deere.....LOL..
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Post by Law Dog on Jun 28, 2011 17:29:44 GMT -5
It can be done but its what we all kind of got away from when the yotes made their push into the East many years ago, will seperate the good 1.5s from the junk ones no matter were they are built. I hate to say it but the Victors would not be my first choice in the 1.5 size!!!! Think I'd find some Sleepy Creeks or Montys? Maybe Tim would make a MB 1.5 yote special getter? IMO
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Post by ScottRainbolt on Jun 28, 2011 17:51:09 GMT -5
amen law dog when the yotes first got here i tried catching them in my 1 1/2 vics got tired of putting the jaws back in em
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Post by ewoktrapper on Jun 28, 2011 17:54:55 GMT -5
The MB-450 is a 1.5 isn't it?Just cast jaws...
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Post by haydenmekeland on Jun 28, 2011 18:09:23 GMT -5
mb 650s also work good for beaver but i use mb 750s and 330s but back to topic, i use # 2s for ytes. Mb 650s & #4s here. bigger the jaw spread the better you are.
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Post by Law Dog on Jun 28, 2011 18:22:16 GMT -5
The MB-450 is a 1.5 isn't it?Just cast jaws... Just thought the yote special would sell better!!! Like the professional 1.75 was named to sell better because of the name!!!
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Post by haydenmekeland on Jun 28, 2011 18:24:13 GMT -5
oh alright
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