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Post by dvranish on Sept 25, 2011 21:12:38 GMT -5
The results of the MTA. Non-Resident survey are In .................. 14% of the membership submitted votes and the results were 183 in favor and 194 against . ------------------------------------------------
It Is disappointing to me that that such a small percentage of the Membership submitted their votes . It appears only those with strong feelings on this subject submitted votes , and that's OK ....
Edited by Jim Blakley (8 minutes 55 seconds ago)
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Post by Law Dog on Sept 25, 2011 21:19:52 GMT -5
Now MN can be the bad guys for a while I would not be surprised if SD goes the same way after the rat wars of the last few years!
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Post by dvranish on Sept 25, 2011 21:24:14 GMT -5
You know? Only a few big mouths started and caused all of this. I think it would be funny if the "wise guys" changing their home status would get stuck in the middle some how. I really don't have a problem with them doing it, but for peats sake, keep quiet about it. All the talk does is p____ everybody off. David ;D
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Post by Law Dog on Sept 25, 2011 21:43:32 GMT -5
Ya Dave I see on T-man the MN beating has started and the "I ain't going to the NTA" has come up too! Will take the heat off SD for a bit but its just a shame the people that just cannot wait to hate on somebody even if they never were gonna go in the first place!
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Post by dvranish on Sept 26, 2011 3:16:31 GMT -5
Lawdog, The hate starts every time doesn't it? My position has always been that "the people that live there can make the decisions" It is kind of like getting "invited over" isn't it? I don't see anyone dissing Canada for having their "registered trap lines" Also, people like to use Alaska for an example of an "open society" Alaska is far from it. I go there to visit friends from time to time and could probably do some trapping. The problem is, that it is extremely hard to secure a place to trap. The old timers there have brushed out trails, managed the catch and are extremely possessive of even public lands. I have read on the Alaskan forum, where one trapper was going to string cable across a trail to behead some interloper. Wow! David
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Post by lyonch on Sept 26, 2011 9:02:38 GMT -5
I'm a little dissapointed in the results! It really bothers me that they only opened this to people of the MTA. There are a lot more trappers in MN than there are members of MTA and i feel a better consensus could have been drawn from this rather than those who think they know what is best for all. I will flat out say that i am not a member of any organization like the MTA because i can't stand the politics that go on at these type of things. I would really like to visit some friends in other states and run a line with them, but it looks as though that won't be happening any time soon!!!
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Post by Law Dog on Sept 26, 2011 9:23:14 GMT -5
If they continue to beat up on MN do they think they will get their way by doing this or does it just make them feel better? I know on the "Golden SD Rat" BS I don't care if anybody ever comes here if they would rather kick the whole state around rather then support the people in it. I did not start out this way but the endless dribble gets old quick! Had a guy last week find a way to turn nothing into the "current outlook in SD" and I was for what he was for? Raggs had a SD roll call and I said "I'm the only one" and that got turned into something how petty can they get! Come or don't come I say best I can do for you!
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Post by dvranish on Sept 26, 2011 9:35:56 GMT -5
I'm a little dissapointed in the results! It really bothers me that they only opened this to people of the MTA. There are a lot more trappers in MN than there are members of MTA and i feel a better consensus could have been drawn from this rather than those who think they know what is best for all. I will flat out say that i am not a member of any organization like the MTA because i can't stand the politics that go on at these type of things. I would really like to visit some friends in other states and run a line with them, but it looks as though that won't be happening any time soon!!! Well, I have to agree with you. I am a member of MTA and I have always wondered why we didn't have NR trapping. After a short stint on another forum and getting whacked around by the political giants of MTA, I immediately joined MFZTA which is polar opposite the MTA. Do I believe in their (MFZTA) philosophies? No, however I understand their fear of a bunch of people charging up in the NE and causing problems with the Lynx thing. I was so paranoid when I was up there last year that I wouldn't make a set for Fisher or Bobcat in fear that I might catch something I would regret. Lynx, as to my understanding are as dumb as it gets. However, they are a weapon used by the anti group to attack trapping. Personally, I think the Lynx isn't even an American animal and will never be a sustainable thing here. They migrate down to the USA from Canada and we are supposed to protect them? It really doesn't make any difference to the Lynx population what we do in our state. The encroachment of civilization sealed that many years ago. I even saw Wolverine tracks back in the 1960's close to seven beaver lake. Does that mean that there was a population in Minnesota? Not anymore. Maybe 150 years ago but not when I noticed the tracks. I would imagine it was one individual making a huge sweep that managed to get it someplace it wouldn't stay anyway. There was a mining activity with-in 25 miles of the site. Too many people, too close for them. David
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Post by dvranish on Sept 26, 2011 9:53:14 GMT -5
If they continue to beat up on MN do they think they will get their way by doing this or does it just make them feel better? I know on the "Golden SD Rat" BS I don't care if anybody ever comes here if they would rather kick the whole state around rather then support the people in it. I did not start out this way but the endless dribble gets old quick! Had a guy last week find a way to turn nothing into the "current outlook in SD" and I was for what he was for? Raggs had a SD roll call and I said "I'm the only one" and that got turned into something how petty can they get! Come or don't come I say best I can do for you! Jerry, it is the other forum. All of the dumbness could have been avoided if the other forum followed their own rules. If it didn't exist (the other forum) how would you and I even know it was going on? I think we have a few people that think they can be Jeramie Johnson and make a living from trapping and need a place to impress someone. Even the late, great Bill Nelson couldn't do it when he lost his stake of traps in a fire (ref in the book) which turned him into a beggar for other peoples traps. Most trappers have a real job or method to survive and trapping is a side line. The loudest from our state has a wife that is a school teacher. There is no leaving Saint Louis for the mountains in that situation, however I'm sure the feeling is there. I'll never get my stuff ready (trapping gear) if I keep ranting. Old guys need much more time to just be a used-to be trapper. David
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Post by Law Dog on Sept 27, 2011 9:21:42 GMT -5
Looks like the post got whacked, its just weird to me that some non-binding vote is any real step in the right direction that did not include ALL licensed MN trappers. The MTA should have some say but not control the vote to be fair it would seem! The MTA is not even the majority there so it seems like a lot of smoke and mirrors. Nothing against the MTA or any MN trappers here just saying including ALL trappers in the state would seem more valid. Look were SD went with just a few controlling the vote and were others have to live with the BS then! IMO
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Post by dvranish on Sept 27, 2011 10:42:53 GMT -5
Looks like the post got whacked, its just weird to me that some non-binding vote is any real step in the right direction that did not include ALL licensed MN trappers. The MTA should have some say but not control the vote to be fair it would seem! The MTA is not even the majority there so it seems like a lot of smoke and mirrors. Nothing against the MTA or any MN trappers here just saying including ALL trappers in the state would seem more valid. Look were SD went with just a few controlling the vote and were others have to live with the BS then! IMO Jerry, You are 100% correct. There is a strange love affair between the MTA and the DNR. The MN DNR is far from being perfect and as their old time employees pension off, it is getting worse. If the MN DNR wanted to address this subject rather then allow the MTA to dictate what subject to address, it would have been simple. Just poll any one buying a trapping license. Wow, that would be too easy. They have to make a Hollywood Production out of everything and then holler to the public that they don't have enough money. Maybe they could sell their helicopter. They use that for apprehending vicious fishermen on remote lakes. Around Brainerd? I live close to Brainerd and there isn't a lake further than 35 miles away from a road. Anyway, MTA has a buddy system with the DNR that doesn't include other trappers, sportsmen or as a matter of fact members of the MTA that are not in the clique. Did you notice on the other forum some time back how Ron Hauser was attacked, flamed, dissed and about anything you can imagine over some t-shirts he was selling that were probably in poor taste. Big deal! I'm now going to buy at least one of Ron Hauser's videos because of that. I had to look his name up in a supply catalog. Now that is something to violate about every rule the other forum had and it was permitted. It was stated there that the DNR will take care of Ron at a later date. Wow! Minnesota should put those DNR guys on the carpet and discipline them. What do we have in our state? I'm embarrassed and ashamed for our state. And we dissed SD? Hah! David
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