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Post by cdr on Jun 19, 2011 17:22:03 GMT -5
I know there are a lot of variables to consider for the answer to the question I'm going to ask, however, I'd like an educated (experienced) answer if you have one. Lets say the following variables are a given in this equation: 1. yote numbers are plenty 2. Private land to trap---5,000 acres 3. you have a full time job to do during trapping season. 4. trapping season is from Dec. 1st through the end of Feb. 5. You can only use footholds. 6. less than 30 footholds to use 7. We will use Oklahoma as a "location" for demographic purposes
How many yotes should an average trapper be able to take with the given variables in the given time frame?
I'm not going to publicly say how many I took last season (one trapper here knows, and he humbled me with his numbers). Just want to get to that "ave trapper" status...lol
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Post by Law Dog on Jun 19, 2011 17:34:08 GMT -5
Yote numbers are plenty, Private land 10,000-100,000 ? 40 hr a week job? 3 month season, 30 footholds no problem, OK has less freezing weather!! I'd say 100 in 3 months give or take 25 depending how much you moved sets around, total acres and if "he" kept the traps treated and sent free!!!
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Post by ScottRainbolt on Jun 19, 2011 17:34:11 GMT -5
30 traps with good numbers say 5 a day if you stay on them and have good weather
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Post by redrooster on Jun 19, 2011 17:34:55 GMT -5
That is a difficult question to answer and I will tell you why. The coyotes here in Kansas seem to run circuits. In other words they may not be on a given piece of land except once in a week. So if you cannot trap the whole area, your catch rate is low. So I wll let someone else answer with numbers. Excellant questions by the way. I am anxious to see the answers.
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Post by cdr on Jun 19, 2011 17:36:52 GMT -5
I should edit a variable...lol I made a mistake. Around 5,000 acres to trap....
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Post by Law Dog on Jun 19, 2011 17:38:55 GMT -5
30 traps with good numbers say 5 a day if you stay on them and have good weather 450 in 3 months Guess I should of asked about put up? Not a lot of daylight after a fulltime job, if not selling in the round thats a lot of skinning time!
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Post by ScottRainbolt on Jun 19, 2011 17:41:03 GMT -5
lol law dog i got 4 sons and i forgot the job part
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Post by Law Dog on Jun 19, 2011 17:43:53 GMT -5
Would make a guy a Zombie real quick 450 yotes!!! LOL If only my chickens could skin!!! LMAO Ya a lot of whats and ifs in any plan for sure!!!
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Post by ScottRainbolt on Jun 19, 2011 17:45:48 GMT -5
good thread for sure
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Post by cdr on Jun 19, 2011 17:48:10 GMT -5
Of course I would at least skin any and all fur of value. 40hr work week is in the variables and all of the land is not in one large tract.....
You guys are really making me feel terrible with these 450 numbers...lol But I need the thoughts and opinions on this as this is what will drive me to acheive my goals...
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Post by timberhippie on Jun 19, 2011 17:56:42 GMT -5
I just want to be clear here you all believe with thirty traps and three months 450 is a possibility? Interesting indeed. I would love to see that pile of yotes. I would say in my very limited knowledge that is highly unlikely. 5 a day sounds kinda high for footholds only running 30 traps. That is around sixteen percent catch rate on a specific target species. Very interesting in theory is there anyone willing to say the have caught that many in three months and back it up? Remember here we are talking footholds only no snares in OK.
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Post by ScottRainbolt on Jun 19, 2011 18:03:38 GMT -5
i sure someone could do i know it aint me lol most of my yotes wear cable. and when i came up with 5 a day that number was with very good yote pop. anuff land to pull those numbers and nothing to slow the trapper down like dirty traps bad weather skunks pluging traps but hey if where going to dream lets dream big lol
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Post by Law Dog on Jun 19, 2011 18:06:53 GMT -5
Last year I ran 18 yote sets between my coon sets (coons were the goal) the best I did was 4 yotes and 1 fox the same day the rest were here and there. The big issue I see in the formula here is the lack of traps if the TOTAL is 30 as treating them after a catch would be a time killer keepint them working. If repacement traps were used I would think (part-time) yotes only 3 per trap in 3 months would be a fair number!
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Post by cdr on Jun 19, 2011 18:10:39 GMT -5
30 traps is the given variable..... Heck, I didnt even run that many last year...lol was more like 15-20 out at a time..... But I want to stick with the number of "30".....
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Post by cdr on Jun 19, 2011 18:14:21 GMT -5
And I never hae treated a trap with wax nor a dye/dip...... Just wash them at the carwash after a few catches....
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Post by Forrest on Jun 19, 2011 18:23:40 GMT -5
Where in the world are there 450 coyotes in a 5000 acre area? A family pack can have a 5 mile home range. 450 is a ridiculous number for 30 traps and 10,000 acres IMO.... I would shoot for 100 and be darn happy if I made it!
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Post by ScottRainbolt on Jun 19, 2011 18:54:13 GMT -5
when the tread first started there was know acre to go by forrest just plenty of privte prop. i would be happy with 100 myself now on some off my lines i will drive well over 100 miles before i turn around never traped ok but here i will cross a lot of family pack ranges in that run and i dont catch close to that many nowhere near it but i dont chase yotes that much in fur season
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Post by Law Dog on Jun 19, 2011 19:22:20 GMT -5
Dang Scott the villagers are coming with torches better run!!! LOL
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Post by ScottRainbolt on Jun 19, 2011 19:30:01 GMT -5
dang tell me about it lol
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Post by cdr on Jun 19, 2011 19:34:29 GMT -5
no torches!! no torches!! this is a learning experience for me guys.... I need to be educated! cdr
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Post by timberhippie on Jun 19, 2011 19:35:26 GMT -5
No not coming with torches just making sure we stay in the realm of possible. I would be shocked to see 450 yotes from a guy running any number of footholds with unlimited time. Let alone a guy with 30 traps and a full time job. Just punching in 30 land sets is a chore. Scott is a good trapper and a good guy who I and others respect but that doesn't mean I will accept that 5 a day with 30 traps is a sustainable average. I would hazard a guess that out of 700 members we probably don't have a handful who have caught 100 plus in a season and of those I doubt they did it with only footholds. I include myself in the majority who have not caught 100 plus in a season. How close I have got to a hundred well that's my secret but I did it with just footholds and I can tell you its no party.
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Post by ScottRainbolt on Jun 19, 2011 19:47:40 GMT -5
i will say it in the real world i dont think any of use could keep a 5 a day avg. with 30 traps and holding down a full time job to do it you would have to have the yotes to do it plus be able to spread that 30 traps out to cover as many family groups as you needed to get those 5 third you would be moving traps every day to stay with them as they moved around there home range. so cdr are you up to that i know im not so i will stick with my.05 avg out of 30 traps
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Post by redrooster on Jun 19, 2011 19:52:14 GMT -5
All I can is Good Luck
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Post by dat41 on Jun 19, 2011 19:52:35 GMT -5
30 traps. 5000 acres. 2 traps at each location. 15 total stops. It would be nice if there were 15 gates on this 5000 acres. Wouldn't take much time, would it? Drive to each location even better. If this 5000 acres is prime habitat and holds good #'s, the catch can be substantial in the beginning. 90 days gets the local dogs, then again if good habitat, there can be a substatial amount of drift. I personally won't hazzard a guess, ooooh but the fun it would be. Finally, to put the big stink on, weather would be perhaps the most influential factor. Good post again, cdr.
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Post by bill1958 on Jun 19, 2011 20:09:45 GMT -5
first off not here .i trap 100.000 plus acres and i can tell you this our yotes takes some times a month to come back in some areas and the next area it might be over night. is it the same yote maybe and maybe not .i refuse to talk numbers but i can and will say this it takes a lot of time moving,washing and even using formula one takes 24-48 hours to dry and with 5 catches that means your are really using 25 because you have five waiting to goe back in .now if you have 150 traps clean and only set 30 you might have a fair chance if one the habtat is right,the food supply and water source and this only depends on if there was no type of sickness. we have not even touched possums,fox skunks that fouls of the sets, then the weather turns sour again extra work.
but how ever if a man works his lines all summer long ,done the proper scouting,using trail cams,bait stations ,put out urine post and pre dug his dirt holes and added earth anchors and cover them with ply wood has every chance to pull numbers but again it depends on IF the yotes are here.YOU CAN'T CATCH WHATS NOT THERE
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Post by cdr on Jun 19, 2011 20:19:29 GMT -5
Bill, only 30 traps... no cleaning other than garden hose (or carwash)in between... yes it takes time to move to make new sets, and to put up signs (it the law), and the land is scattered.. maybe a ten minute drive in between properties...
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Post by Forrest on Jun 19, 2011 20:50:41 GMT -5
Great Post! Nothing like a good debate..;D
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Post by Fluff747 on Jun 19, 2011 20:51:52 GMT -5
ok to many variables , weather , work ethic ,knowledge , can a man work a full time job , and run traps on 10,000 acres and put the fur up and sleep ? way to many things to go wrong , familly groups have about a 5 mile home range , so I would hate to anwser this ?
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Post by Law Dog on Jun 19, 2011 21:00:36 GMT -5
ok to many variables , weather , work ethic ,knowledge , can a man work a full time job , and run traps on 10,000 acres and put the fur up and sleep ? way to many things to go wrong , familly groups have about a 5 mile home range , so I would hate to anwser this ? GO ahead Fluff you know we won't jump on you!! LMAO
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Post by cdr on Jun 19, 2011 21:10:17 GMT -5
Come on guys... what do you think the average trapper could do? Lots of guys work a full time job and trap. Its 5,000 acres not 10,000. And only fur to put up would be skinning the few that were of any value.
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